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To think the Ched Evans verdict shows why mob justice is wrong

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JonathanDunn · 14/10/2016 17:10

Hundreds of thousands of people were willing Condemn a innocent man. He was practically forced out of football. This is why we can't play jury from our sofas.

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JellyBelli · 18/10/2016 21:15

So its not rape if the man lies, ifshe is drunk, if she has had sex in the past, and the man doesnt think it is, got that. We'll remember that from now on, thanks for enlightening everyone.

Now go tell the police and CPS.

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 18/10/2016 21:16

My last post was not me throwing insults around Shock

It was a statement of fact

clumsyduck · 18/10/2016 21:16

Does the fact that there were 4 men (2 of which had Sex With her ) present in the room of a paraletyic young girl really not sum up to you the morals of these discusting pigs regardless of the legal standpoint ??

Perhaps it would if it happened to someone you gave a shit about

Still, boys will be boys eh !

Lighthouseturquoise · 18/10/2016 21:16

Askbasil well said.

I was thinking exactly that.

david94 · 18/10/2016 21:17

Tarla, that's a ridiculous proposition. Just because you are so drunk you can't remember the night before, doesn't make you too drunk in the moment to consent. If a drunk women says yes - that's still consent. It doesn't become rape when she can't remember the following morning...! If that were the case half the male students in this country would be in prison before the end of their first year at university!

Tarla · 18/10/2016 21:18

Most men wouldn't do what Ched Evans did.

On the rare occasions I've had a lot to drink (very rare, not a big drinker), I could be dancing round the room bare buck naked while chanting "Let's go, big boy" and my own husband would fetch me some painkillers, some water, and help me into bed to sleep it off because men who aren't total fuckwits think it is wrong to take advantage of drunken women regardless of what signals they think she is giving off or what rights of ownership they think they have.

clumsyduck · 18/10/2016 21:20

If you are so drunk you can't remember something major like shagging someone the night before then you were clearly extremely drunk

So here's a novel idea david

How about a man in that situation has enough morals that he makes sure the girl is ok rather than having sex with her . You know like a none rapey person

Boundaries · 18/10/2016 21:20

The judge said: "The complainant was 19 years of age and was extremely intoxicated. CCTV footage shows, in my view, the extent of her intoxication when she stumbled into your friend. As the jury have found, As the jury have found, she was in no condition to have sexual intercourse. When you arrived at the hotel, you must have realised that... You have thrown away the successful career in which you were involved"*

The only thing to have changed since that statement by the judge is that her ex partners came forward, having been offered £50,000, and one of them stated she'd said "fuck me harder" to him.

Tarla · 18/10/2016 21:21

If a drunk women says yes - that's still consent. It doesn't become rape when she can't remember the following morning

I think you'll find it does considering that this is what the original conviction was based on. The young woman went to the police to report her stolen handbag and what she said about not remembering the night before gave the police cause to believe she'd been raped. The police took the prosecution forward and the charges were brought on the basis that there is such a thing as too drunk to consent.

MrsLyons · 18/10/2016 21:21

Felascloak, she was asked if 'my mate can join in' and said yes and engaged in an enthusiastic 3-some (according to two people in the room). She hasn't disputed this. The fact she can't remember doesn't make it rape!

Not quite. This past of the testimony is inconsistent. On one hand it was said McDonald asked 'if his mate could join in'

Evans' testimony contradicted this, where he said he'd asked her directly

And as for "doesn't remember doesn't equal rape"... that's not why he was first charged. She reported a missing handbag to police the next day. They asked questions. Ascertained that she woke up in a hotel room that she hadn't booked, naked and having wet herself. Subsequent police enquiries discovered CCTV footage of her clearly drunk, and CD/CE voluntarily admitting they'd had sex with her.

CPS deemed she was too drunk to consent, therefore rape. Jury decided McDonald could reasonably assume consent as she went back to hotel room with him. Evans, who lied to get a hotel room key, didn't speak to her (by his own admission) then left by a fire escape... not so much.

Moral of the story? Don't worry so much about warning your daughters to keep themselves safe from rape. Warn your sons not to stick their dicks into the vaginas of women they've never even met before. Simples.

clumsyduck · 18/10/2016 21:23

Exactly tarla

And I imagine if this was your average bloke on the street without all the ££ the conviction would still stand

In my mind he got off on a technicality of law not because he is innocent

HillaryFTW · 18/10/2016 21:23

"Warn your sons not to stick their dicks into the vaginas of women they've never even met before. Simples."

Yup.

Lighthouseturquoise · 18/10/2016 21:24

Well said MrsLyons.

BeyondReasonablyDoubts · 18/10/2016 21:25

You know, the ched-ites keep throwing up "innocent until proven guilty". The past hasn't been erased, he may well have been innocent, but then he was proven guilty. So at this retrial, he was guilty until proven not guilty (beyond reasonable doubt).
At no point was he innocent since the first jury made its decision.

BoneyBackJefferson · 18/10/2016 21:25

david

Your facts on this case are very wonky.

It is interesting how so many of evans' supporters don't seem to know the events of that night.

PortiaCastis · 18/10/2016 21:28

Yep and twats devdaled the poor girls name so she's has to re- locate twice and change her name. Her Father gave a good accojnt of his feelings. Got that HER FATHER has to live with the knowledge of her being dragged through the dirt by some grubby man who kicks a ball

david94 · 18/10/2016 21:29

Well that was fun. I will leave you with a simply statement of fact. No matter what you think of Evans and his behavior, it wasn't rape and he is innocent (innocent unless proven guilty) and it is repeated in some form or another (drunk sex - no memory after) every weekend in every town across the country. Shamefully the CPS pressed this poor young girl into a court ordeal she didn't ask for (she never claimed to be raped), on flimsy evidence (obviously - as it failed to secure the conviction) and it has ruined her life. Let's nail rapists to high buildings by their balls but by broadening 'rape' to include morally dubious behavior between drunken men and women, we dilute the horror of domestic, date and stranger rape. All this case has done has undermined societies confidence in rape convictions. Women are less safe now thanks to this mis-guided prosecution. Take care all and see you soon.

PortiaCastis · 18/10/2016 21:30

*revealed

clumsyduck · 18/10/2016 21:31

Thanks for leaving us with that

Women are been repeatedly taken advantage of ever weekend

You must feel proud to be accepting this as fact rather than hoping it's something we can educate our youth on to facilitate a change . Bravo

Soubriquet · 18/10/2016 21:31

No women are less safe now because of men with your attitude

PortiaCastis · 18/10/2016 21:31

Well as you were not there you dont know so STFU

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 18/10/2016 21:31

I fucking hope not david

BoneyBackJefferson · 18/10/2016 21:32

david

at what point was evans "invited" in to the room?

As far as I can see a text that states "I have a bird" (or whatever), has never been an invite.

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 18/10/2016 21:33

CPS got the conviction Hmm

seriouslyclueless · 18/10/2016 21:33

David, going by our last analogy that would be true of the consenting couple had spent some part of the evening together having a drink and here was a general consensus that they liked each other.
What happened here was then the equivalent of a male student watching a female getting drunk, watching her going up to her student room then breaking in and having sex with her without her consent AT ALL.
That David is what is known as RAPE.