To think the Ched Evans verdict shows why mob justice is wrong

[JonathanDunn]

Hundreds of thousands of people were willing Condemn a innocent man. He was practically forced out of football. This is why we can't play jury from our sofas.

So you've already made it your daughter's responsibility to make sure she isn't raped, david?

Nice bit of parenting there.

By your logic David, if I'm in the bedroom having sex with my husband, then he invites his mate round, his mate is clearly entitled to have sex with me too. After all it's his house, he paid for it.

Victim blaming again. Oh it's so tedious

Lighthouse - you're very aggressive?! Why so angry with me? Is it because I dare to have a different opinion? You could try debating this and exploring the other point of view. You may be right he may have lied to gain access to the room, but he was invited by the room 'owner', so he didn't exactly break in. You really agree with me when you say that no one will ever truly know exactly what happened inside. She may well have been raped, screaming for it to stop, or she may have been unconscious, or she may have been the demanding ring-master wanted to have two men inside her. We will never know and my point is that unless there is compelling evidence that she was incapable of consent (and there is none) you can't convict of man of rape where it is perfectly reasonable that he may not have raped.

Are you a bit thick David? your daughter could be raped anytime, anywhere, drunk or sober, in broad daylight going about her business.

I feel sorry for her having a father like you who will clearly blame her.

Sounds about right Turquoise

The issue is consent

I have ranted on t'other chedthread about victim blaming bullshit.

David IT IS DOWN TO MEN TO NOT BE RAPISTS.

For the record, your flippant "who raped who" comment? Women cannot rape because they do not have penises. So in a situation where anyone is drunk enough to not remember, it's up to the penis owner to not insert it anywhere.

It's not fucking difficult.

" but he was invited by the room 'owner'"

Which would be fine if he'd been asked in by CM for a cup of tea.

He let himself into a room where a drunk naked vulnerable woman who he didn't know was. Without her invitation. Which is the material point, you sad little apologist.

All I can say to you is good luck to your daughter growing up in a world with men like you.

I think you have some harsh realities to face.

Anyway you are clearly here to troll and cause distress by your tone and language so I will no longer engage.

I don't need some misogynistic fool talking to me about consent and rape.

Cunt.

Lighthouse - on your other post. If you are having sex with your husband and he invites the house owner to join in and you ask for the house owner to fuck you harder doggy style, then no, this is not rape. We agree on that - correct? If you don't have no recollection of whether you asked him to fuck you harder the following morning - this is still not rape. Rape is where you are either incapable of consent (semi-unconscious or worse) or have made lack of consent clear. Neither of these apply to the Evans case. She was in control when having sex with Evans mate and still in control when he joined in. She didn't suddenly slip from willing participant to unconscious victim.

Cunt

Hi ched. Touched a nerve have we?

Reported

Drunk enough to have memory blackouts is drunk enough to not be capable of consent.

:Lighthouse - your language tells me a lot about you. good luck in life and try not to be so angry. Open your eyes and take a step back and consider all points of view. You can learn more and be more considered in judgement.

The law is around "freedom or capacity to consent". The law states nothing about semi - unconscious, though I note you've moved to that from "dead or unconscious" .

Anyway, meh to sad little apologists like you.

Eughh My blood was boiling at a couple of facebook posts I saw shared by men crowing about how they knew he was innocent she should apologise etc etc

He is still a discusting entitled prick who had sex with a girl so drunk she didn't know what she was doing . The law and morals are two different things . There is nothing to crow about he is vile

Jeez there was another man in that room

Portia, you're right the issue is consent. Why do you think she didn't consent?

I have a daughter as well, but my advice to her is to be bloody sensible and avoid any situations where she doesn't have control around people she can't trust.

I am genuinely interested to know how you imagine that would be possible.

At a hospital preoperative appointment you have to sign the consent form for your operation. If I rocked up to that appointment drunk out of my head they'd refuse to do the consent form with me because my judgement and my reasoning have been clouded by an excess of alcohol, I am not capable of giving my consent as I am incapable of understanding what I am consenting to.

Consenting to allow a penis entry to someone's body follows the same principle.

david

Is only on this thread and had one post in 2015 on another 'ched thread'

Yawn. They're all a bit samey aren't they, these ched-ites.

Rape is where lack of consent has been made clear?

So, david when I was raped, I was terrified. And confused because of the situation. I didn't scream, or say no. Was it not rape?