To think the Ched Evans verdict shows why mob justice is wrong

[JonathanDunn]

Hundreds of thousands of people were willing Condemn a innocent man. He was practically forced out of football. This is why we can't play jury from our sofas.

He didn't con his way in. He booked the room - he had a key! He did assume he could fuck her and he was right. She was an enthusiastic participant in a 3-way. It happens whether you want to believe it or not!

He did not have a key, he lied to the hotel receptionist in order to obtain a key.

So why did he sneak out the fire escape david?

david94, how do you know whether she was or was not enthusiastic? Were you there?

tarka

Yay...

Deep joy

I am so sorry tarla

Tarka indeed!!!

That is not my view at all. I think sex is private between two consenting adults and don't judge others on whom they have sex with.

I certainly judge people who have sex and leave their potentially dangerously drunk partner to fend for themselves while they escape out a fire exit - even if the sex itself was consensual.

You could take out all the sex and CE and co. still treated her like dirt.

david and you can fuck right off now and take your misogyny with you

I think you make a good point rufis that if her sexual history is fair game then his should be too, particularly if his history shows that he has form for targeting vulnerable young women who possibly are incapable of giving consent.

Check again. He booked the room. Either way, he was invited by his mate to the room and once in, invited by the girl to participate (according to him and his mate). She can't remember and so has left herself in an impossible position. You really can't 'prove' inability to consent unless you have medical evidence she was either dead or unconscious. She was clearly neither and so you can't convict. I have been drunk with a drunk women and both woken up with little memory of events - does that make me the rapist? Why not her?

Oh now it's embarrassing that I typo'd your name

Why am I misogynist? Do you even know what it means? Explain why you disagree and we can share points of view - or do you just like to throw out insults (it is easier I agree).

Well i just figure tarla that if the 'rule' is that sometimes its open season on the victim then it should be open season on the accused as well

I dont think that any victim should have to go through that anyway

So unfair

And now i sound 10

If he had all the right to be in that room why did he go through the fire exit to get out then david?

tarla

I wasnt going to say anything

You know what taking advantage of is a euphemism for, don't you, David?

Get to fuck David, there's a love. There's no excuse for being a rape apologist.

If she was so drunk that she cannot remember then she was too drunk to consent. She never pressed charges, the police pressed them and CE was originally convicted based on his own testimony.

We have a court of law not a court of morals....

Erm David, he booked the room for his friend Clayton.

Clayton checked into the room as arranged. Clayton then text Evans saying he's got a girl.

Evans then diverted his taxi, lied to the receptionist claiming that his friend no longer needed the room, he entered the room while two friends filmed from outside.

Now the truth is no one will ever know whether she then willingly had sex with him or not.

Now fuck off.

Why am I misogynist? Do you even know what it means?

Please mansplain it for us...

"You really can't 'prove' inability to consent unless you have medical evidence she was either dead or unconscious. "

Freedom and capacity to consent are a bit broader than this, David.

You might want to stop putting your penis in very drunk woman, presuming you are at all bothered about possibly being a rapist?

'possibly incapable of consent' isn't the same as 'incapable of consent'. If it can't be proved, you can't convict. I don't agree with this - I have a daughter as well, but my advice to her is to be bloody sensible and avoid any situations where she doesn't have control around people she can't trust.

Do you also have a son? If so, are you teaching him the same thing and instructing him not to go sticking his dick into girls who are possibly too drunk to be aware of what they're doing?

Poor little lass has a rape apologist and victim blamer for a parent apparently