To think the Ched Evans verdict shows why mob justice is wrong

[JonathanDunn]

Hundreds of thousands of people were willing Condemn a innocent man. He was practically forced out of football. This is why we can't play jury from our sofas.

I'll say again this shit is why I didn't go to the police.

And its fucking upsetting

Portia

Yup, me too Portia.

I provided two links, the BBC link was in response to what you wrote in response to my original post which contained the law essay.

Ah I see pinky, that does explain her posts somewhat.

Boundaries, she must have wiggled her eyebrows at him suggestively?

Little FYI for everyone. When I was gang raped, I didn't scream, go limp or try to get away. I played along, because I was scared. 'luckily' in my case I remember enough to know I didn't not want sex.

I repeat rape is not a Mn bun fight point scoring exercise.
This thread was started to be goady and its bloody worked hasnt it

Ah yes, beyond, the old "consent by eyebrow" defence.

I believe Trump may have used that also.

To quite a very wise man
The Law is an ass .
I hope he gets his justice soon. Very slowly. And with ultimate humiliation.

User how do you know what experiences I have had ?

User, there is no fucking need and I've reported your post. Violence is everyones concern.

Is there any way to complain to the CPS that they brought about a retrial based solely on a victim's sexual history? It's just the most mind boggling misogynistic bullshit I've ever heard and expected better of our justice system

user1476521108 what a very peculiar comment - are you on some sort of personal vendetta against AF? I have never been raped, but I have the right to comment because I have close friends who have been and I have seen up close the horrendous fall out and psychological damage caused by the disgusting attitudes of rape apologists (in one case, appalling police in interview back in the 80s, in the other the attitudes of the victim's own mother). I also have the right to comment because like pretty much any woman I know I have had several close calls, and my non-victim status is a matter of luck, not judgement or magical behaviour on my part.

Another thing I did was play along with friends who were there that it was consenting. I didn't want to admit it aloud, much easier that I'm a great big slag.
Oh and I went downhill promiscuity wise afterwards. There wouldn't be a cat in hells chance of a conviction.
And the three of them were "our boys", if you know what I mean.

So yes, regardless of previous history, playing along and later text messages, I still believe her.

In an age of rape culture we all as women have a right to a view about rape.

It's just a shame some people's views are about perpetuating dangerous myths

I think the evidence was allowed in to demonstrate that the woman was sober enough to consent. It was not brought in to show a pattern of sexual behaviour. His case was to show a similarity in her behaviour with him as to how she behaved in consensual sober sex.

What strikes me as odd was how he showed that the new witnesses were not coached what to say in return for £50k. I think the idea of offering a reward for 'witnesses' coming forward should be illegal. On the other hand, the naming of famous (and obviously wealthy) accused men seems very similar. If the right evidence is given you can then sue the celebrity for huge damages. They both provide a pecuniary incentive for evidence.

I have not read yet the judge's summing up. I guess that would provide a key. Can the CPS appeal it? It could just be a perverse jury.

From what I read, his mate asked the girl, in his presence, if CE could join in. She said yes.

There seem to be a lot of conflicting reports in the papers.

Pinky. Bit harsh. Especially if the rape victim didn't decide to come forward. The police made the case for her then.

Where can one read what actually happen? There are so many people on here giving conflicting stories.

pinky next week I am writing to several parliamentarians including my MP and the Attorney General. I want to raise 1) why the "new evidence" was admissable when it goes into her sexual history 2) how it's possible for someone to argue consent when they admitted never speaking to the victim - I think the law neends updating to put more emphasis on the person having sex demon starting how they got clear consent 3) the possibility of using an inquisitorial vs. Adversarial method or judge led trial given conviction rates are so low.
This trial just highlights how the current system is way way stacked in favour of rapists and it needs to change, I believe that can be done while still protecting innocent men. If it means men need to spend a bit more time ensuring they have consent before they get their end away, that's a good thing.

And that is what has changed since his original statement.

Of course memory for witness testimony is well known to improve as time passes

It couldn't possibly be that he knows he convicted himself with this statement and so got someone to say they'I've conveniently remembered that isn't what happened, could it?

reveal Wales on line has day by day updates of this trial and if you Google you can find legal summaries of previous cases and appeals.