To not have moved on from the referendum result?

[Niamer]

Hi. I am a remoaner. I have bored myself with talking about it online and with a couple of likeminded friends.
I was have never been political, was pretty disengaged before the referendum but a 100% gut-feeling kind of a remainer and really expected the vote to go our way.

Felt devastated at the result; I am a believer in working closely with our neighbours, have lived in other Eu countries, have friends here from other EU countries who feel unwelcome etc etc. AND all the attachment to Europe stuff aside, it just seemed a far safer economic option to stay put. Why go for a bumpy ride when you don't even like where you're going? Also felt really cheated when people's reasons for leaving became clear.
I am amazed that some Remainers have just gone quiet and got weary of it all. As far as Leave voters, there has been plenty of "suck it up" comments and total quiet from others. It hasn't been long but time is not healing for me. In fact the Tory conference seemed to take the grimness up a notch. Still so upset and wanting to protest (and have done in every way that I can think of)

I am currently in groups with staunch Remainers like myself, so I know how they are feeling. Outside of that, it isn't an easy topic to discuss. Remainers, Leavers, non-voters, please could you tell me where you're at? TIA

Secret also a person from Uganda is less likely to be granted a student visa when May is down with her spiel.

It's really very simple- keep increasing the wage on offer untill you are paying enough to attract people to do the job. In this respect a fruit picker is no different to a CEO- both require the right degree of incentives.

That only works if there are too many jobs or if there is no external competition to produce products elsewhere.

Secret's post is a bit nonsensical, the whole united states of Europe thing trotted out again, not realising that we had exemption from any closer union, sigh.

But it is funny that the leave side spent 41 years complaining and arguing about being in Europe, when they lost the last referendum by a bigger margin, yet remainers need to shut up.

The wages point? Well it ignores the simple fact that immigration doesn't drive down wages, the main effect on low pay has been the credit crunch. It also ignores the fact that there is relatively low unemployment in most areas with high immigration.

Petrol is now going to go up 4 or 5p now.

I also voted remain, it sucks that so many people were conned over the Nhs business on the lies alone there should have been a revote, I bet many would have changed theyre vote to remain.

Petrol will probably increase at a faster rate because OPEC have cut production levels and the value of the pound to dollar has fallen more than 4-5p. Firms won't be willing to take on the cost of this. I'd reckon on 10p a litre on petrol by xmas easily with increased energy costs and increased production costs of goods pushing inflation further in the new year.

Time for people to accept the voice of the country and get on with things, you can't and won't change our centuries old democratic process. Time to look forward to the positives and believe.

user

So the leave campaign did that for 41 years before the referendum did the user?

Time to look forward to the positives and believe.

No.

And I'm not sure what this 'centuries old democratic process' you're talking about is. Centuries old?

our centuries old democratic process
Would that be our PARLIAMENTARY democracy?

believe

hey twofinger no need to be pedantic accurate just saying 'centuries old', 'democratic' and 'ours' in one sentence signifies 'British superiority' and seems to be enough for some bexiters to believe in brexit.

I used to think that I could not go on
And life was nothing but an awful song
But now I know the meaning of [Brexit] true love
I'm leaning on the everlasting arms
If I can see it, then I can do it
If I just believe it, there's nothing to it
I believe I can fly
I believe I can touch the sky
I think about it every night and day
Spread my wings and fly away
I believe I can soar
I see me running through that open door
I believe I can fly
I believe I can fly
I believe I can fly hoo

Time for people to accept the voice of the country and get on with things, you can't and won't change our centuries old democratic process.

twofingers just beat me to it. Parliamentary democracy has been developing for a good few centuries but Robert Walpole, 1721- 42 is generally accepted as the first Prime Minister.

We have had three National Referenda, all in the last 41 years, which even the most ardent, 'You lost get over it' Leaver, can't refer to as even one Century. You might just get away with 'getting on for half a century'.

green

I was thinking of that song when i read users post

Great Rufus I was just beginning to feel a bit glad i wasn't the only one. Years and years ago a rather macho looking security guy at my college sung "I believe I can fly' at the top of his voice when checking my student ID. It always makes me smile thinking about it as he looked so tough and it seemed a bit absurd but sweet.

Time for people to accept the voice of the country and get on with things, you can't and won't change our centuries old democratic process. Time to look forward to the positives and believe.

Actually, let's unpack this.

(1) It's the voice of, at best, just over half the country. It's all well and good to expect people to respect the result of the referendum, but beyond that how can you justify expecting indefinite and deferent silence from the other half?
(2) Get on with what things exactly? Unless you're of foreign extraction or dubiously outward-looking character, in which case you should presumably get on with packing.
(3) twofingers beat me to the democracy part.
(4) Believing in the positives is fine, knock yourself out if that floats your boat, but it's not possible to make people believe in something they don't. After all, as a Leaver surely you'd be proud to say that your belief in the evils of the EU is steadfast and unshakeable?
(5) In conclusion, I detect shades of "getting excuses in early" so that in the entirely unlikely event that our Brexit adventure doesn't go swimmingly, we can blame all those doom-mongering unpatriotic Remoaners for not getting on with things with sufficient gusto and for not believing hard enough.

Please can anyone tell me what fish, iron, cheese, doom and scares have in common that causes them to be "monged" and not sold ?

"UK border check in Ireland" proposal. Can someone explain the implications of this proposal to me? Thank you.

Apparently 'mongers' deal in specific goods - so fishmonger, ironmonger, warmonger. And after all, warmongers and scaremongers aren't selling anything, but can be said at a pinch to be 'dealing'.

You'd have to apply for a visa and get to travel in both the UK and Ireland essentially. Not sure of the details for EU citizens in Ireland.

I love the way the uk is 'delegating' unsavoury tasks to other countries. Ireland now but it's also France and Calais...

user a democratic doesn't mean that whoever has won can do as they please. Parliament us there to discuss issues and feedback the population in parliament. That's why vote is needed and the government can never do as they please once they are elected.
I would hope that this ability to discuss political issues can be extended to everyone. It's not because a referendum has said that the uk wants to leave the with that it also means no discussion about it to ever be happening. That IS the opposite of what democracy is.

The current government has been given the task to help the uk to leave the eu. It has NOT been given the right to do as it pleases wo involvement of the MPs. It has NOT been given the right to stop any discussion of what sort Brexit we (the population) want abs nor has it been a way to sign off the right to check if the process is legal or not.
This all part of what being in a democracy means.

I'm very happy to see that this is a very important thing to you. So I hope that you will accept both sides of the democratic process. The one that says the uk will leave the eu
And the one that says it's ok fur anyone to talk about it, say they don't agree and do their best to convince other people too.

Time to look forward to the positives and believe.

Although the Leave side could get together enough support for people to vote for the vague idea of leaving, there has never been agreement on what to do once we had actually left or whether the vote was to enable greater protectionism or more free trade.

The point of the vote wasn't even to establish a mandate to leave the EU. It was to stop conservatives voting for UKIP. Now we have the spectacle of 'pro-remain' conservative politicians adopting the policies of a party whose elected representatives make Donald Trump look almost civilised, because they think it plays well with voters.

No, I do not believe.

I wonder just how long it will be before they tell the UK to take a running jump. Or who will do so first. What is there to stop the French from rounding up all the children in the camp in Calais who have family in the UK and banging them on a train to the UK, and saying right - you deal with it at your end.

May has again announced no vote.

David Davis. What an utter joke of a man.