To be fed up of comparisons with 1930s Germany in U.K. politics?

[jessica29054]

Surely a better and far less potentially offensive comparison is the 1980s?

Labour in disarray, therefore weak opposition, and a female PM of course.

Comparisons with the rise of the extreme far right in Germany have little place. The BNP are the equivalent to Hitler and his party and thankfully have little mainstream support.

WeAreDoomed17

My DP is in the Navy, yes, and he doesn't support this new policy at all. Nor do his shipmates. Yes, there were bogus claims, like most laws, but if you remove the ability to pursue legitimate claims like TM is doing, you're making things worse.

Should we stop prosecuting rape just because there are lots of false allegations? Or stop prosecuting assaults because, again, people make things up? No. All this law is doing is making it look like our military have carte blanche to do what they want.

Ireland are you kidding us? A country run on lines dictated by the Catholic Church so a pregnant woman can't obtain an abortion for any reason even following incest and rape?

Wow much more tolerant society than England. I hope you don't drag any dds there.

WeAreDoomed17

I said if there were an independent Scotland I would move there. Might want to try reading what I say. Even though they voted against it last time, there'll be another referendum soon, I guarantee it. And this time they'll vote for independence.

WeAreDoomed17

There are lots of issues with Ireland but open racism and demonisation of foreigners isn't one of them.

I would prefer to move to somewhere like France or Germany of course but that's more difficult as we have no support network there like we do in Ireland and Scotland.

Although being in the navy isn't really boots on the ground is it? You kill people at long range there don't you and arnt likely to have to fight hand to hand.

Really interested in wondering why you see Ireland as a tolerant and better society?

Icanteven if your job was costumer-facing though you wouldn't risk hiring someone with an accent in this climate I think. I know a restaurant that advertises itself as selling local produce and sourcing its staff locally too (=you won't be served by a European)...

So no one in Ireland is openly racist?

When I was in Dublin a few months ago the amount of Eastern European beggars and rough sleepers was incredibly shocking.

I think you live in a parallel universe.

I live in Scotland. Appetite for independence is falling, actually, especially since the oil price crash. Where are you getting your info from?

Well if Scotland has another vote and if they vote for independance they won't automatically be part of the EU and will have to apply like any other country.

There are lots of issues with Ireland but open racism and demonisation of foreigners isn't one of them. Um, ok. And just so you know my Scottish FIL is the most racist, homophobic, intolerant, Muslim hating, Tory voting person I know. He is Scottish and has lived there all his life.

Fawful good it's time employers were made to employ local people who will demand the proper wage than exploiting Eastern Europeans and paying them peanuts in cash in a race to the bottom.

Wearedoomed17

Cheers for minimising my DP's contribution in keeping this country safe despite him disagreeing with the government. You, of course, have no idea what his actual job entails.

No it's only the English and possibly the Welsh who are 'openly racist' no one of any other country is. Just us.

Scotland and Ireland are beacons of tolerance equality and the lands of milk and honey.

Disclaimer love both btw.

I would prefer to move to somewhere like France

Do you think there is no racism in France then?

Other than that, Ireland. I have just sent off my forms to get an Irish passport (I have Irish Citizenship through my mum, who was born there but also my Irish grandparents). It's not perfect but far better than the shit show going on here.

Seriously?!

There are lots of issues with Ireland but open racism and demonisation of foreigners isn't one of them.

I would prefer to move to somewhere like France

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Admit it Nakatomi you don't know what you are talking about do you.

Did I say racism didn't exist in France or Germany? No. It does. But I feel that their governments are better than what we have right now.

Nakatomi total respect for your dh but the navy is very different from the army and their combat engagement is again totally different. They do kill at a distance, I have no issue saying that as it's true just like the Air Force. So claims for ill treatment will be no where near as Prollific unlike the army.

That's a fact as far more soldiers have claims lodged against them.

When you do get to Ireland what will you do when you hear someone make a racist remark? Will you keep on emigrating?

france banning the burkas and haranguing an elderly woman on a beach for being too coveted up?

Seriously really?

Should we stop prosecuting rape just because there are lots of false allegations? Or stop prosecuting assaults because, again, people make things up? No. All this law is doing is making it look like our military have carte blanche to do what they want

not it is not as those serving in our military still have to follow international humanitarian law that includes following the Geneva conventions

and have you spent time in France and Germany or have read what is going on there at the moment. Both are far less integrated countries than the UK

They aren't taking away your freedoms FGS! They can't. The parliamentary process prevents that from happening. That is what makes Britain so amazing and why a Civil War was fought.

Seriously? The same parliamentary process which is being avoided to ratify the actioning of article 50?

We're in the midst of an executive power grab from parliament by Whitehall (specifically the cabinet). And that includes NI and Scotland's right to challenge Brexit, over which NI is bring a legal challenge supported by its Attorney General.

Parliamentary process could stop this madness from happening if it were allowed to debate, but it is not.

The civil war was fought over executive power as the King tried to rule without parliament.

I was In Paris last Easter and both me and my dds felt incredibly unsafe. The atmosphere was awful and we all love Paris.

Never ever felt that way in London even directly after 7/7.

Be interested in what others felt if they had been lately?

Scotland won't challenge Brexit as they have been told they would have no automatic entry to the EU as SN independent country.

Nicola, and I admire her enormously, has gone very quiet lately.

I think you would find civil war happening on our streets if the government of the day defied the will of the people who, like it or not,voted to leave.

That's the reality gloria

Anyone who genuinely believes that the army abuse is simply the invention of 'left wing lawyers' should read this:

The truth about British army abuses in Iraq must come out

Written by Nicholas Mercer, former lieutenant colonel who served in Iraq as a senior legal military advisor.

First, the idea that the claims are largely spurious is nonsense. The Ministry of Defence has already paid out £20m in compensation to victims of abuse in Iraq. This is for a total of 326 cases, which by anyone’s reckoning is a lot of money and a shocking amount of abuse. Anyone who has been involved in litigation with the MoD knows that it will pay up only if a case is overwhelming or the ministry wants to cover something up.

Second, allegations have been made about abuse of prisoners and civilians from the outset of the Iraq war in 2003. Three colonels in the divisional headquarters complained about mistreatment of prisoners within the first four weeks. In two public inquiries (into the deaths of Baha Mousa and Hamid al-Sweady), it was revealed that the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) – the most respected body in the world in matters of international humanitarian law – had complained about prisoner abuse.