... to expect people who use parent & baby car parking spaces to have children with them?

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Or am I the only who gets fed up of waiting for a space because they are all filled with lazy b***ds who can't be bothered to walk an extra yard?

Yep- have 5 mins peace before ds1's therapist arrives. So shoot me. What teribly important thing should I be doing?

Definition......

have never actually used a p&t space as dp is a 'park as far from the entrance as physically possible while still being in the car park' type of driver but do feel sorry for moms with kids in car seats struggling to manipulate them out of a 4 inch gap between them and another car.

dont talk about this subject anymore after severe slagging I have got about it in the past!!!!!

god it really pisses me off though

Great thread though.

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'traffic wardens should be able to fine people without car seats in there car'

Really?

Squonk, yes it annoys em when people without Kids or with Kids that are say 4+ and have no special needs use those places, they are for mums with younger Kids, possible Carseat or Prams etc...not for people that have Kids that are able to safely walk with their parents...!
However, I would be happy to give a parent/Baby space up for a disabled person IF there wasn't any disabled spaces.

Dungbeetle, a to big car for ordinary spaces is NO reason to take up Parent?Baby spaces, often a bit further away are plenty of spaces left, so, why not choose one of those and walk that bit extra.

Pinktulips, how near a Parent space should be does depend a bit on yoru situation though, I know that when my ys was a lil Baby and my ms was under 2/just 2, it really helped when the spaces were also near the entrance, as it wasn't nice to trawdle over a carpark with lil ones. Especially if there wasn't any Baby/Toddler trolleys in tthe near by trolleypark (as it often seems to be teh case, sigh)

madmarchhare, it might not be a big deal to you, but for others it can be a big deal as an otherwise already horrific shoppingtrip with Kids in tow is made that lil bit more difficult I never really minded when I had only 2 Kids, as there was 6 1/2 years between them 2, so, it wasn't a problem , BUT when ys appeared there was only 21 month between ms and ys, and if I couldn't get a parent space it really was difficult, put on top of that that we lived in NI for a few month then, and what wiht safety issues etc...I didn't feel it was safe to leave my Kids in the car just to get a trolley.
Alos, why should someone, who is allowed in teh space wait because some lazy arsed tosser can't be bothered to park a bit further away, are they more precious or what, those businessmen?

errr Jimjams...going shopping wihtout Kids is NOT always an option, my dh is int eh army, therefore not always around, and in Holidays, when would I go shopping then?
Also, I don't think it's fair to say, well, as long as people leave my disabled spaces free I don't care...I don't have a need (thank god) for Disabled spaces, but I would care if I saw someone parking, without a badge in there, because they are lazy twats, why not return that curtesy? I can understand you being angry at the mentioning that people who are disabled shouldn't use P&T spaces, and rightly so, BUT being as careless back doesn't make that right, does it...

Mellowma...that so annoys me, when people park in parentspaces without Kids, but because they have a carseat in the car....wtf has that got to do with anyhting?
Although, in the evening when they virtually emptly, I really don't care about it, and have done it myself, but that is slightly different.

Shosha, wouldn't really work though, what with the Babycarriers often taken into the shop!

The Tesco badge for p&t spaces expires on the childs 5th birthday so a parent with a child of 4 yo is OK. Sainsbury afaik don't offer a badge but some of their staff park in them so how can they expect their customers to show consideration to people with children. At the end of the day they just want your cash!!

Er how do you tell if a kid over 4 has special needs? And if you have that ability please could you come and assess my youngest as opinions seem to vary.

Peachy?????you lost me.....who were you asking?

'Squonk, yes it annoys em when people without Kids or with Kids that are say 4+ and have no special needs use those places'

Eer, you.

Seriously. My DS's disability is invisible- doesn't mean it doesn't exist. How can you jusdge if some needs the space on that criteria?

It's just life really. People are selfish. I remember in the days before militant parking wardens on every corner, people would happily park blocking the road, causing massive tailbacks everywhere.

IMO you can't compare disabled spaces to P&T at all. I would actively encourage an old/disabled person who couldn't find a space to use the P&T bays if it helped them. And when I was pregnant with SPD I could hardly walk and remember hobbling to the shop and being unable to get dd1 out of a car.

People who are allowed to use P&C parking places: anyone who needs to open the door wide in order to extract their infant. That includes pregnant women with big bumps and older children who still need help with their carseat/seatbelt. But not people with an empty carseat in the back! Nor, IMO, blue badge holders. There are always far more blue badge places than p&t places, and I don't see why bb people shouldn't wait for a free space, just as p&ts can wait if they choose.

Hm, but if your child has a disability, you would be likely to have a blue badge, would you not? So, usually you probably wouldn't be parking at parent tot carpark, unless absi;lutely necessary?
Anyway, I never said it has ot be an obvious disability, did I? But, often you probably would notice something amiss if there was somehting amiss....and, if your child needs assistence above that age , then your child would probably hold your hand, etc...rather then being allowed to walk freely all by themselfs from the carpark, ofrinstance...an example...couple with a about 8 year old child, might have been older actually, used a p&t space, and it wasn't a near by the door kind at all, but they did not have any sepcial seats or anything where they needed more space to get the child in and out...and that did not impress me much, when I was struggling with a 5 month old and lifely 26 month old, trying to get them out of carseats,etc...!

peachy my next sentence was, btw:
"not for people that have Kids that are able to safely walk with their parents...!"

You have to get mobility to get a badge, DS1 gets highest rate care but not mobility (TBH too exhausted at the time to appeal), he wouldn't get higher care if he didnt um, need care, DLA is not easy to get! I also have 2 small children just under the blue badge criteria (plus another NT one who still needs the noramal supervision for a 6 year old)- unfortunately you can't add the stress levels together, but no P&T = well, frankly I don't go out any more, not if I can help it, certainly not without a second adult.

I don't however EVER use a P&T space when not with the kids, but mums with babies do give me The Look. Dh goes over and gives our life story heh heh heh

Let's be honest here - the basic problem is the few numbers of p & t spaces. I have to say that 99% of the time when I go shopping there are always available bb spaces but I would never use them, and therefore I wouldn't expect a bb car user to use a p&t space because this is rarely necessary from what I can see...

i often have to walk across car parks with my increasingly heavy baby when lots of the parking bays are filled with two seater sports cars with no sign of a childs seat, normally middle aged men who think an expensive car gives them priority.

By squonk on Mon 05-Feb-07 15:17:01
how about disabled people using the parent & child space because there aren't any disabled ones left? That gets to me, because we wouldn't use their space!!

i should bt on this bloody thread should i

this will pee some of you off. the other day we used as p+t space as it was closer to the doors. we did have a child with us, but we also have a blue badge. oh dear oh dear. should we have left the space for someone else

Don't be so ridiculous - if you have a bb and a child then use whichever space you want!!!

PrettyCandles did you realy mean to type this or was it a mistake. "But not people with an empty carseat in the back! Nor, IMO, blue badge holders"
I am sure you didn't meant to in clude blu badges in your sentance
If you did. I think you should realise that getting a disabled adult or child in and out of a car is a LOT harder than getting a small child or baby out of a car.
I hope I misread your post.

no i dont think you did 2shoes.