... to expect people who use parent & baby car parking spaces to have children with them?

[fryalot]

Or am I the only who gets fed up of waiting for a space because they are all filled with lazy b***ds who can't be bothered to walk an extra yard?

Yep, along with everyone else

I asked a woman who had parked next to me if she realised it was P&B, she said she was going to collect a child - but her car was already full of other people - duh! If she was enough to try to excuse it then why did she do it in the first place?

Personally I wouldn't mind if the spaces weren't right outside the door - as long as they were big enough to get a baby in a car seat in & out, I don't mind walking!

I find people who are irritated by disabled people using P and T spaces remarkably irritating and incredibly self centred, and just a teensy weensy little bit sad.

jimjams.... i don't think anyone minds disabled driver using them... i think that comment was supposed to be sarcastic. or maybe i read it wrong?

VERY well said jimjams

o hang on.... that was me being thick wasn't it?

no definitely don't agree with that statement squonk.... however awkward it might be with kids, disabled people need the space more every time

Oh here goes nothing, Ive used a P&T space without having DS in the car.

Shoot me now.

Sorry, but I dont think its really that big a deal.

Really, what the 15.17 one, and the 15.22 one. Squonk is aware she's being unfair in her irriatation. I'm aware that I'm being quite fair. Talk about not knowing you're bloody born.

This is a big rant....

One time i couldn't get a baby space so I parked in a normal space. I sprint to get the right type of trolley, locking my newborn and 18month old in car. I came back and put 18 month old in car first. I put trolley next to car with the brake on and go to get baby from the car, turning back to find that dd1 is rolling away in the trolley. Luckily a friendly passing chap catches trolley and stops it going any further. Then another friendly person comes over and holds the trolley for me whilst I put dd2 in!

After shopping we come back and I am now clued up to trolley's inefficient brake and we ask supermarket car park man to hold the trolley whilst I put babies in car. He assists with a smile and continues on his merry way.

BUT where does he go? Because in the time it takes me to start my engine, 2 vehicles with no babies in them park in two available baby spaces! I manage to collar one lady who has parked her landrover discovery and she tells me "Oh, I'm allowed to park here because I drive a larger vehicle!" What because you don't know how to park your fuel guzzling planet killer more like!!! AHH!

DUNGBEETLE: I think that when your child is old enough to get themselves in the car and strapped in, you don't need a special parking space anymore. IMO.

sorry jimjams... have ds trying to help me compute and i skim read that bit

PT - I read it as a seriosu comment, and as I say you can't judge with the disabled folks - if they have a badge tehn obv they're entitled to the spot - just cos you cna't see the disablity doesn't mean they're not iycwim.

perhaps the coiuncils/super markets could adpot a P&T badge or soemthing?

I do think that anyone who really can't cope with shopping with children unless they park in a P and T space (why would you wait for one to get free - park somewhere else fgs - and yes I have 3 children and grande scenic I know all about getting babies out of oversized cars) should go without children, after they're in bed. There problem solved.

don't worry PT I misread all the time!

• just to clarify i no longer think that was supposed to be sarcastic (wish it had been coz it's pretty ignorant)

well quite i mean ffs.

maybe we should all park over 2 spaces when the 4x4's use P&T with no children??

or bring dh with you to sit in the car with the kids at far end of the car park while you leg it to get a trolly.... works well enough for us

jimjams - didn't mean to cause offence. I am aware that other people need the space more than me. Of course I would never object to a disabled person using a p & c space. In fact, if put in that position, I would gladly give up my p & c space for someone who clearly needs it more... I would just be quietly irritated to myself. Sorry if this offends.

Munz, I just wanted to make it clear when I said I was irritated with people who were patently not disabled using the disabled spaces, of course if someone has a badge I would NEVER dispute their right to use a space. What I meant was bloody businessmen without a badge sprinting in and out to get fags.

bisness men are just a law unto them selves i find

I like it Fio- although we have to have ds1 in the back and he's getting a bit big. I have no idea what to get next (runs out in August), don't really want a HUGE car- grande is quite big enough, but can't have ds1 sat near to ds2 and ds3 and he pinches them and hits them if he's in one of his moods. Thought about the multipla, but he'd be pulling the handbrake on or fiddling with buttons when we're driving around.

No idea how we get another one though as there's only 2 years left on motability, I keep meaning to ring and ask, but can;t cope with the dla "helpline"

Ah well, if hes just sprinting in and out, you can wait.

It doesn't offend, but you might find that if you or your kids ever develop a disability (can happen to anyone- no-one is immune) you're considerably more irriated when you can't shop full stop because there's no suitable space for you. You may find that your disabled child is more than irriated and tries to put their head through the window because you're not doing what your meant to do (ie park and get out). Who knows you may develop a different attitude to life and get irritated by important things.