To think that scholarships for women shouldn't be open to men?

[HermioneWeasley]

So, scholarship to support women in STEM - a massive issue for all societies that we're not harnessing th talents of half our populations in this area.

But if you "identify as a woman in a way that's meaningful to you" you can apply.

What the ever loving fuck?

Another example of the damage being done to actual women, by saying that "woman" is a feeling in a man's head.

I suggest that we all identity as male in the next consensus.

I am a man. What identifies as a man is what I wear and what I do. I'm so loving that dress, and that make up totally covers my acne and the scars. Those shoes are awesome, despite me having backache and foot problems. My hair needs a gazillion products to make it sway and give me orgasms. My male period is not a problem, I can do anything possible so long as I wear the right protection. I love to have control of a fast car. I can open a a jar of jam. I will spend loads of money. Because I'm worth it.

I can also announce pregnancy and give birth. Because I'm a man.

Y I'm going to be a man too. I'm going to be a mansplainer. That's what I'm looking forward to most.

hairy sorry I misread your last point. I don't think that TW get the same types or levels of discrimination as women, but in the case of STEM I think it likely they are in the same general area.

So again, SOMETIMES TW suffer the same issues as woman. OFTEN they don't.

So you know....subtlety in what you go off at.

I still think in the case of this specific OP, there is room to suggest that TW suffer this type of issue as women do, IF they have presented as female from childhood.

Can you be a transwoman that never had a penis? Maybe I'll be that as they have loads more right than me and people listen to them.

Obviously their parents and close circle of friends don't do those things...but if they were TG they would too. So yes, presenting as female does lead society to stereotype you even when you have a penis. How long do these boys need to be passed the princess, and told to stop climbing before they are likely to start thinking they really shouldn't be so brave/confident/good at maths?

Isn't the answer to stop passing girls the princesses rather than trying to make up for any disadvantages to children who have long hair and wear pink later in life?

I will also fret daily about what I'm going to wear. I do this because I'm a man.

I don't cook because of the sheer enjoyment I get from it, I do this three times a day to feed my children. I do this because I'm a man.

I don't do daily housework because it's a necessity to clean living, I do it because I'm a man.

But if you're a man at least someone says thank you. Bonus.

Now that I have convinced myself I am a man, can someone please tell me what a woman is?

Ice, many TW transition after a lifetime of male privilege. They have never experienced female discrimination.
as for the children who are transed young, I dispute that a boy who wears certain clothes or has his hair a certain length or plays with particular toys will by necessity experience what a girl does.
If the adult world agrees to collude with their demand to be treated as if they were a biological girl, they receive the daily message that they can be what they insist they are, however unrealistic, and the world humours them. They learn that their definition overrules the reality of other people's lIves. That's a powerful message.
The world doesn't do this with actual girls.

feelz

its actually shorter than adult human female

The fatal flaw in Icebeing's argument is 'come one, come all'.

First, Icebeing, fight the transactivists whose current campaigning will render private female spaces unsafe, and anti-discrimination actions utterly meaningless. Fight them to the brink of unpopularity and unacceptability, like feminists do. Help us win that battle. Only then is it fair to ask for privileged entry for a select few into female spaces.

Ellendon - Now that you're a man, you can tell us what a woman is.

Apparently.

jelly I could not possibly agree with you more! If we didn't live in a sexist society then TG would reduce to cases of body dismorphia.

That's why I find it difficult to agree with interventions like female only spaces and gendered changing at primary school.

hariy yes indeed - and I wouldn't expect them to need help in getting into STEM.

subtlety.....

interesting winchester has been advocating giving everyone measles a child to lower the asthma rate...so in fact suggesting everyone go around naked to spite the trans women is one of more rational suggestions.

Ice I'm getting confused because you are conflating female only and gendered in the same sentence.
can you clarify what you mean?
Do you object to girls dealing with menstruation in female only spaces, for example?

Icebeing You really should go and have a big old argument with transactivists who are obsessed with presentation and getting into female spaces because they're female spaces. They don't want neutral loos and neutral clothes. They want gender. They want it all trussed up like a Christmas turkey with a bow on the top. They actively promote a sexist society, a stereotyped society, they want to bolster the stereotypes and they're doing it, every day and all the time. When neutral spaces are available, they don't want them - so you should be arguing with transactivists on a transactivist forum. You're wasting a lot of time here when you could be changing the minds of people who could actually step back from this crazy agenda. The fact that you aren't - and that you're here instead, trying to budge us up, says a great deal.

I mean they might tell you to go and die in a fire. But that's where your argument has a place.

interesting winchester has been advocating giving everyone measles a child to lower the asthma rate…

And Ice reveals their true colours. Little touchy there?

I've no idea what a woman is because I'm a man. Biology isn't my strong point. Obviously I prefer pure maths, physics and chemistry. Women, what's that?

If TW are women then by definition women are TW

I'm going to insist on a prostate exam because I identify as a TW

Makes it all sort of meaningless, doesn't it

Just because the other side are behaving like idiots and claiming everything is black and white, doesn't mean feminists have to do the same.

Ice what is this 'feminists' you speak of? Who is the 'other side' who see things only in black and white? Is this some sort of conspiracy?

What about being a TW who was AFAB? There's someone on twitter who identifies as this, has it on their profile. It attracts some interesting reactions.

I had to look up AFAB. Ugh. As bad as "cis". You aren't "assigned" a gender at birth, you ARE one biological sex or the other. ( excluding rare intersex conditions with which TAs like to muddy the waters)

A tw who was afab? it's actually a real thing? I was joking earlier

I have made it clear that a definition that includes biology would be meaningless, but would need to include how a person identifies.