To think that scholarships for women shouldn't be open to men?

[HermioneWeasley]

So, scholarship to support women in STEM - a massive issue for all societies that we're not harnessing th talents of half our populations in this area.

But if you "identify as a woman in a way that's meaningful to you" you can apply.

What the ever loving fuck?

Another example of the damage being done to actual women, by saying that "woman" is a feeling in a man's head.

As for what defines a woman, I don't believe there can be a fixed definition

There is a fixed definition. Adult human female.

By which I mean that transwomen do face discrimination and prejudice in life, but it's not the same type as the discrimination and prejudice women face.

'Discriminating against transwomen, who are a very small proportion of women' - no they aren't.

'As for what defines a woman, I don't believe there can be a fixed definition.' then what do you think a transwoman is? That's a ludicrous statement - especially from someone in a STEM field.

'Not all biological women have complete female genitalia (breasts, vagina, uterus, ovaries). Are they any less women because of this?' Obviously not. Are blind people less human because humans are a seeing species and blind people can't see? What a truly, disgustingly offensive thing to suggest.

Intersex has nothing to do with it - also offensive.

The transwoman was not 'a proper woman' but should have been treated with all the respect due as a human with all the rights that go with that. Now that behaviour does sound 'transphobic' - which I would define as discrimination on the grounds they are transgender.

Transwomen are not a small proportion of women. They are a large proportion of transwomen.

Winchester by trying to mock me for disagreeing with your point of view, you have weakened your points considerably.

I am trying to highlight how offensive the points made on this thread are. Ironically, you are finding that offensive.

I could say that your points are ludicrous, but then I would be stooping to your level, which I would rather not do.

Your first point is completely factually inaccurate as well, a quick search would prove this.

Rattan, since you did stem I imagine you have a decent understanding of algebra.
In refusing to define woman, but insisting that transwomen are women you are being illogical. Refusing to define or solve for x.

If you can't define woman, then can you differentiate between women and men?
Without reference to a circular argument.

Charlie that is not a definition.

It is clear that the 'offended majority' on this thread, have not done a modicum of research into the relevant issues, not do they have any personal experience of them.

Rather than engaging in reasoned debate, some here would rather personally insult me. I am therefore hiding this thread. I genuinely hope that the transphobic views on this thread are not representative of society in general. I am raising my daughters to be kind women, who do not discriminate against others.

Not actually answering the questions though are you Rattusn?

Just resorting to ad hominem attacks as per the usual argument we often see.

And, as usual - no definition of woman.

Do you only hang around in social justice warrior echo chambers? Yes, the majority view in society is that men cannot actually become women.

And the people on this thread have done plenty of research.

Off you pop then Rattusn - along with your reasoned arguments

hairy if you had fully read my post, this would have been clear to you. I have made it clear that a definition that includes biology would be meaningless, but would need to include how a person identifies.

The amount of cognitive dissonance required to prop up these positions must be huge.

I'm not trying to mock you. I don't think it's funny. I disagree with you and have explained why by footnoting your post.
Transwomen are a small proportion of men, not women. It is not factually inaccurate.
Obviously 'adult human of the sex that produces eggs and can give birth' is a definition in its entirety i.e. a necessary and sufficient condition of being a woman.
I am certainly offended by you co-opting women with disorders or illnesses and intersex people to your cause.

I am not surprised you are hiding the thread: it's what normally happens.

Why would a definition of a biological sex class have anything to do with how a person "identifies"? Do elaborate.

So...definition of woman

"anyone who feels like a woman"

What makes you feel like a woman?

oooooh good one twunk

You're hiding the thread because you know fine well you can't make any sensible response to the questions you've been asked. Just popped in to shout "transphobia!" And run away.

I really really really want someone to tell me, in actual words that mean something, what it is to feel like a woman

I have been a girl or woman for 41 years and I cannot for the life of me answer that question.

Dammit. No one will ever answer me.

Do you not recognise that there is a very specific category of people that say, die in childbirth?
Or are sold into child marriages?
Forced to have guardians in Saudi?
Denied bodily autonomy and reproductive rights?

What do these people I describe have in common? What class are they and how do they differ from the other half of humanity who do not, oddly, get to experience this?

Are you also similarly colourblind and simply can't see that people of one colour of skin seem to have an awful lot of disadvantages compared to a different colour of skin?

Do you really pretend not to acknowledge what we all know you see so clearly?

When someone declares they are a woman - they have a frame of reference for what that means. They've spent their lifetime observing who the women are in the world and what is specific to those women as a sex. And whatever they conclude uses those women as a frame of reference.

If I say my eyes are blue, and observers can see that they are in fact brown, what point is there in my insisting that the word blue be expanded to include both blue and brown so that I am not excluded from identifying with the eyecolour I want?
Even if I convince others to collude with me, every observer still understands that blue still exists, and brown is not blue, nor can it ever be. The best I can hope for is that people keep up a lifelong lie to spare my feelings.

hmm I'm not sure I would define woman as 'anyone who feels like a woman'. But I would define feeling like a woman as responding to stimuli form the outside world in a manner consistent with the majority responses of other women.

So for instance when most women watch a video of an interaction between a man and a woman, they will identify most strongly with the female character. That is why having pitiful rates of showing women as scientists, problem solvers, etc. in the media is an issue for STEM recruitment.

Similarly feeling like a man may extend to things like experiencing sympathetic pain when witnessing a bloke getting kicked in the balls. I do get that response because I don't 'feel like a man' and have no idea what being kicked in the balls feels like.

So it might be based around shared biological experiences (like the kicked balls) but it might be around identifying with characters or people around you in a similar way to that of other members of the gender.

So once again I end up thinking that in some ways TW could 'feel like a woman' and in some ways they probably don't.

I don't get the ball kicking response...I have never had balls and don't identify as male except for the purposes of not having to play mixed badminton.

Was that a definition ? I couldn't tell.

If so, it must be a quality possessed of all women, and be a quality that is enough to mark an adult out as a woman.

I'm going to go with understatement here and suggest that you haven't quite managed to tip it over the bar.

Mind you if we all walk round naked we won't need a definition we'll just have a little lookee.

What would trans people do if we did all walk round naked? Isn't a uniform needed? I've already seen complaints about Jaden Smith wearing a skirt - co-opting trans presentation when he's not trans, because how else will transwomen mark themselves out?

Twunk - men's shirts short skirts.
Oh oh oh oh.
I wanna be free to feel the way I feel.

^^ think that about sums it up.