To think that scholarships for women shouldn't be open to men?

[HermioneWeasley]

So, scholarship to support women in STEM - a massive issue for all societies that we're not harnessing th talents of half our populations in this area.

But if you "identify as a woman in a way that's meaningful to you" you can apply.

What the ever loving fuck?

Another example of the damage being done to actual women, by saying that "woman" is a feeling in a man's head.

Probably something to do with reporting WM

Yup, could very well be this also. Most areas in Greece are heavily tourist populated. A girl raped on holiday wouldn't be as likely to report it as a girl raped at home. I would think anyway.

Sorry "a win"? To whom?!

Also something I did notice was that Greek women were rarely seen as opposed to the men. I wonder if maybe its common to have the man completely in control there, and as such, women are taken even less seriously than here, so wouldn't even bother reporting anything.

kua It is eminently desirable to make spaces safer, especially if women are particularly vulnerable when using those spaces. If I am safer when going to the bathroom, I consider that a good thing. Odd that you don't.

Or women are less likely to report rape in Greece FFS.

And "I like men being excited by breasts?" WTF? You do realise this is culturally cultivated? Men are titillated by forbidden body parts, such as legs not breasts in precolonial Bali.

I am not suggesting women should bare all to men here by the way. But in the Victorian era women showing their wrists was seen as suggestive. Puts the burka/niqab in an interesting context and renders obsolete arguments of cultural relatavism. Why would we condone something we've got rid of in our culture?

gone depends if you were a AMAB you are equally safe in male bathrooms.

The tiny proportion of space which is sex segregated is in two categories (1) for women who have suffered male violence (dv, rape) (2) places where we get our kit off. Not a flash of boob, butt naked.

Why would we condone something we've got rid of in our culture?

Because our culture isn't always progressing upwards in a straight line?

Because our culture is not the only one of value, or the only one in Britain?

'I like men being excited by breasts'. I don't give a flying fuck why they are. I like that they are. I also have personal boundaries and maintain them, BTW!

ah, but don't you worry your little heads lassies , the men are here to tell you how to think.

???

And the women are here to do their passive aggressive BS, it would appear.

Nah, just calling you out on your shit.

No, I think you're doing some passive aggressive mumbling that is so PA it doesn't make sense to anyone not in your head. But your description sounded much braver, logical and more mature so go with it.

It is possible to work to reduce male violence while also working to ensure women have access to spaces where they feel safer

Having female only toilets won't stop a determined rapist. Having non-rapists with penises in same toilets as women won't cause rape. The problem is rape and rapists, and single sex toilets don't solve those problems.

Ice - sex segregation does stop these things, because much sexual assault and harassment is opportunistic and many rapists and assailants aren't particularly determined. It's just something amusing to do to pass the time for many men. Amnesty International has done research on this from what this article says and they found that sex segregation makes women safer and more comfortable:

qz.com/692711/the-radically-simple-way-to-make-female-refugees-safer-from-sexual-assault-decent-bathrooms/

Clearly the current wave of refugees is not the same demographic as men and women already socialised and living in the West but I'd imagine you'd see the same thing, but slightly less pronounced if you looked at "people more like us".

To quote a key paragraph from that article:

“We have learned from so many mistakes in the past that women are at a greater risk for sexual assault and violence if they don’t have separate bathrooms,” says Gauri van Gulik, Amnesty International’s deputy director for Europe and Central Asia.

But that's bleedin obvious! Of course you're less likely to be raped in a space where there are no men! I've encountered ice's kind of thinking before and it has left me with the impression that much feminist 'logic' is up a tree.

So, do tell, gone how would you resolve this?

What?

Feminist logic is not 'up a tree' gone. It is very clean and simple. It's the reason most transactivists stop by briefly to throw a few insults and disappear when asked very simple and straightforward questions.

Two transactivists recently came onto threads and were more polite. However after expanding on their view of life very generously they were asked the same simple and straightforward questions deriving from feminist logic and they, too, struggle to answer.

It is pointless trying to bluster here with 'logic up a tree' comments. I'm afraid the icy scythe of clarity will see to you in very short order.

Bless, there is an OP of which the rest of us have been responding to . It is at the top of the thread hth

Eh? Loads of feminists on this thread disagreeing with ice, so why take her thinking as typifying feminist logic, gone?

Icebeing is a derailed and advocates a bizarre solution to male violence viz: everyone walking around naked. I'm not entirely convinced that Icebeing is a feminist. Not quite entirely sure about that

*Why would we condone something we've got rid of in our culture?

Because our culture isn't always progressing upwards in a straight line?

Because our culture is not the only one of value, or the only one in Britain?

'I like men being excited by breasts'. I don't give a flying fuck why they are. I like that they are. I also have personal boundaries and maintain them, BTW!*

Well I'm pretty unashamedly of the view that getting rid of cumbersome garments is part of an upward trajectory for women's rights. And I can't stand cultural relativism arguments that condone the oppression of women for cultural reasons. I stand with my sisters who are fighting for equality (and who have fought in the past for equality within misogynist, patriarchal societies, at risk of violence and death). I'm personally of the opinion that if women have to wear all over garments because men can't control their lusts, then such men should wear blindfolds.

Also the point of this thread shows that our culture is not progressing 'upwards in a straight line'. The increase in violence towards women shows a misogynist backlash alone.

How lovely for you that you like men to lust after your breasts. I prefer to use them as weapons. Yesterday I was trying to return a broken lifetime warranty garlic crusher (I'd lost the receipt during pregnancy haze). They were saying no until I got baby out of the pram and began breastfeeding him on the counter. Unfortunately she kept delatching (because she didn't really need a feed...) I'm happy to use my nipples to help me apply consumer law.

But I digress.

*breastfeeding her on the counter FFS. If only she'd not woken every hour last night I might be able to write coherently.