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tipping the waitress

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mummysmummy · 14/09/2016 13:17

I have a friend that I sometimes meet for coffee or lunch. she rarely tips and when she does its miserly. I feel so embarrassed about this, I make up for it by making up the tip to an acceptable amount and sometimes secretly giving all of it. AIBU to think that tipping, particularly for staff who are low paid, it a good thing to-do.
maybe i should manup about this and tell her not to be such a skinflint

OP posts:
crayfish · 14/09/2016 16:29

*Ha, Ha, my first job was in a French Restaurant (in France) 25 years ago and my last job was in a 5 Star hotel (15 years ago)

I work in building management now, at a senior level.*

Thats not really an answer to the question but congratulations on your 'senior level' job...

user1470043860 · 14/09/2016 16:39

Thats not really an answer to the question

Of course it was.

user1470043860 · 14/09/2016 16:42

can you elaborate on what those skills are because so far you havent'

I'll start small.

Have you ever taken a food order for 8 people, with 3 courses, different drinks and then delivered the correct order to the correct people after you've carted it back from the kitchen?

crayfish · 14/09/2016 16:43

Yes. Its not rocket science is it. Write down order, carry plates...

Daisygarden · 14/09/2016 16:44

Maybe tipping did make up wages then, but now we have minimum wage here, is it still relevant?

user1470043860 · 14/09/2016 16:46

Yes. Its not rocket science is it. Write down order, carry plates

It may not seem like it's that hard until you have to do it, specially when you have the rest of the restaurant wanting your attention and you have an order in the kitchen ready to deliver to table 12.

However, it's still more skillful than advising someone on what kind of lip gloss to buy.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 14/09/2016 16:48

user, you're being so patronising. I've waited tables and wouldn't consider this to be some kind of amazing feat. I would have the order written down and a reasonable memory for where the tables are and who ordered what. Shock

user1470043860 · 14/09/2016 16:49

you're being so patronising. I've waited tables and wouldn't consider this to be some kind of amazing feat.

I never said it was "an amazing feat" just different to other customer service roles.

daisypond · 14/09/2016 16:53

I wouldn't tip. That's what the "discretionary" service charge is for, if there is one. I only make an exception when my elderly parents are visiting, because they think it's the done thing.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 14/09/2016 16:54

Well yes, in the same way that a beautician is different to a taxi driver is different to a receptionist...

witchywoohoo · 14/09/2016 16:55

when I was being trained as a waitress many moons ago, I was told that tipping became a practice To Insure Promptness - the thinking that if you tip well the first time you are served by a waitress/taxi driver/ hairdresser, they are more likely to serve you quickly and more diligently next time!

I still like to tip certain people - waiting staff in particular, but began to grudge tipping my hairdresser who is the owner of the salon and upped her prices! So now I just tip the youngster who awkwardly washes my hair - bless her!

Daisygarden · 14/09/2016 16:56

user waitressing is hard and stressful (I've done it myself) but so are lots of jobs which don't come in for tips, simply because it's not the culture even though the service and skills required are comparable to waitressing.

crayfish · 14/09/2016 16:56

As I said, I have done that and it can be hard but no harder than other jobs, just different.

You obviously do think that it's a superior skill set though, because you think tipping waitresses should be compulsory but that tipping lip gloss salespeople shouldn't, or have i got that wrong?

user1470043860 · 14/09/2016 17:00

user waitressing is hard and stressful (I've done it myself) but so are lots of jobs which don't come in for tips, simply because it's not the culture even though the service and skills required are comparable to waitressing

May I ask what jobs are comparable? I'm sure there are some but I can't think of any off hand. What makes them less comparable is that in waiting - you are generally with the customer for a longish period of time, not many other CS jobs are like that.

user1470043860 · 14/09/2016 17:01

You obviously do think that it's a superior skill set though, because you think tipping waitresses should be compulsory

Good luck finding where I've said that.

I've said " you should only tip if you had a nice experience during your meal" at least twice.

Discobabe · 14/09/2016 17:01

Slaves don't get paid Grin

OlennasWimple · 14/09/2016 17:02

If you tip, tip properly (discreetly, with good grace and generously). Otherwise, don't bother.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 14/09/2016 17:04

user.... a beautician, carer or a hairdresser, with you and actively working with you for far longer than waiting staff do. I don't understand the point that you're making, what do you mean exactly?

When NMW wasn't established then yes, tipping was important, but not now, surely given that so many customer service jobs are NMW and as engaging with customers as waiting service staff experience.

BarbaraofSeville · 14/09/2016 17:05

Have you ever taken a food order for 8 people, with 3 courses, different drinks and then delivered the correct order to the correct people after you've carted it back from the kitchen

Well in that case, I've never had good service and I shouldn't feel the need to tip, because they take the order and when they start bringing things back, its 'whose was the salmon' to which people start putting their hands up.

I rarely go back to the same restaurant because there are hundreds of restaurants in my city and I like to try different places, so my tipping behaviour is never going to influence the sort of service I will get.

I do tip most of the time, because I feel obliged to, especially when eating in groups, but in most cases I can't see what waiting staff are doing to deserve extra, over other similar jobs. Fetching and carrying food and being pleasant and friendly is the basic requirement of the job.

DP used to work in a fairly high end bike shop. He could spend up to an hour with a customer discussing their requirements, measuring the customer, helping them test ride, advising on accessories, building the bike, which may have cost several thousand pounds, all for a few pence an hour above NMW. Once or twice a year, a grateful customer would bring in something like beer, chocolates or biscuits to say thank you, but it was extremely rare.

I have elderley relatives who have carers. On more than one occasion they have tried to slip them a fiver as a thank you, but it has been refused, usually because, other than token wine or chocs type presents at Christmas, they are not allowed to accept tips.

But yet people insist that it is necessary to give a few quid extra per person to waiting staff for doing basic tasks that they are paid to do anyway Confused.

RepentAtLeisure · 14/09/2016 17:05

I don't tip. I bloody hate the smug arrogance of those who think it's practically compulsory... Here's some pin money, pat them on the head and off you go..

Oh God, I hope I'm not seen like that... I tip the people I see regularly - hairdresser, drivers from the taxi company I always use, the Domino's delivery drivers we see every other weekend - I'm pretty much trying to keep them sweet really! And also I tip for good service. When someone's a grumpy sod who looks like they can barely be bothered with me, then no.

Isitjustmeorisiteveryoneelse · 14/09/2016 17:06

No YANBU. I often have this problem too but have come to realise we all see things differently and I like my friends/family for many reasons that do not necessary include their willingness to tip. I always tip accordingly (I think!) if I am alone and if I am with others who do not tip/do not tip accordingly I have learnt that you have to pick your battles. It bothers me so I either make up the tip or pay the whole tip. I usually pitch it at 10% unless an individual has gone out of their way to make an experience very special in which case I'll tip more. This is a bone of contention between me and DH. He lives/works abroad a lot and always has done. He is very well versed in local custom in many areas but I think sometimes uses this as an excuse to not tip to the level I would if he were not there. DC and I often visit him on trips and we often argue about this and it normally ends with me leaving the tip while he saunters off. I had a wake up call this year in Singapore when I left a cash tip for a waitress in a restaurant after he had refused to do so. She was astounded and embarrassed but happy and did keep the tip. At the same restaurant a few days later we were served by her superior, and I tipped again after DH refused. She came after me to give it back! Very politely explaining it was not necessary. Lesson: know the rules/expectations for your location and venue

Babetti · 14/09/2016 17:06

User - you don't seem to think much of sales assistants. Here's a random list of things I did as sales assistant: made orders, contacted suppliers, accepted deliveries, stocked shelves, did product displays, learned about new products, advised customers particularly on the more specialised things we sold (not lipgloss), hoover / dust, cashed up. Busy days - I was usually fairly tired after the 9 hours on my feet. Waitressing sounds like a busy job too but you're coming across (intentionally or not) like it's a great deal harder and more skilled than other low paid jobs.

user1470043860 · 14/09/2016 17:09

When NMW wasn't established then yes, tipping was important, but not now, surely given that so many customer service jobs are NMW and as engaging with customers as waiting service staff experience

Fair enough, however, I utterly guarantee that if you took away the tipping incentive for waiting staff then in a lot of places the service would be utterly crap and your whole experience would be diminished, in fact, may restaurants wouldn't be able to find enough staff to be able to run the place.

user1470043860 · 14/09/2016 17:11

User - you don't seem to think much of sales assistants

Anyone who works a minimum wage job or low paid get's respect from me, it's hard. However, having done both, the interaction just isn't the same and a Friday night is a restaurant is far, far more taxing than the busiest day ever on the shop floor. That's just my opinion.

user1470043860 · 14/09/2016 17:12

*in a restaurant.

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