Where is London?

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This is not intended to be a "London bashing thread" so please take question (from northerner) in spirit intended - one of curiosity.

I have been watching the news and an awful update on situation in Penge where a young boy and woman killed. I've never heard of this suburb and couldn't place it on a map - but on looking it seems to be a bit further from what I'd class as "London".

So my AIBU to ask where London starts and finishes?

Have the boundaries expanded? Are there some areas that would be SouthEast a few years ago but are now London?

Happy that made lol! I was born in Essex though....

You pronounce blancmange weird.

Now fascinated by the history of Penge on wiki.

For anyone else toilet humour minded, both Pissarro and Crapper were once residents of Penge.

Anything within the comforting embrace of the North and South circulars, I reckon.

I think it's anywhere that is in a London Borough.

It can't be tube. You can go to Amersham on the tube. And Epping I think (I'm not totally sure where Epping is but I think it has a forest and is not London!)

Isn't it all the boroughs that are in Greater London? Wikipedia has a list. Penge falls within Borough of Bromley. I couldn't have told you this till i looked on the internet. I always thought Penge was out west. (I am Scottish and have never known anyone from Penge, nor been there for any reason)

Oh yes, do visit OP! Penge even has its own Tourist Board - pengetouristboard.co.uk/ !

But DH is London-ish (Middlesex) and has taught me to say Penge like a Penger.

Trills Hm, I say "blemonzh" I think, is that weird?

Definitely not postcode, lots of outer-London boroughs still use the old postcodes from before London expanded in the 60s. You can tell by which local authority you live in. London is huge though! Much bigger than most people think.

I never knew how to pronounce blancmange, so thanks RatOnAStick

It is a horrible story bibbity, there is similar not far from me at the moment as well. It is rattling.

Penge looks awesome. I'm booking us a self catering bungalow for summer 2017.

Ponzh? I probably do sound the end harder like 'ponj. Ponje.?

Well well, my tablet has put 'ponj in the autocorrect already

I only think of the compass points (NEWS) and 020 prefix as London.

Romford may be in the London Borough of Havering but it is Essex. Ilford in in the London Borough of Redbridge but it is Essex too. This is not snobbery, it just is. It drives me potty when TV news reports something in East London and it turns out to be Hornchurch.

And another thing. There is no such place as Woodford even though there is a station of that name on the Central Line.

It is either Woodford Green, Woodford Wells, Woodford Bridge or South Woodford. All of which are in Essex. Even though the last one has an E18 postcode it's not really East London.

Same thing with Chingford and E4.

I'd say Penge was south east London. Just.

"blemonzh" is how I say it too I think, sort of going down at the end of the word.

It was the "ohnzhay" that sounded very wrong to me. It felt like it emphasised the end and went up at the end. That's just TOOOO much Bouquet.

"Ponzh" with s slurry zshh noise is how I would try to ponce up Penge.

I live south of London in the commuter belt. To me it starts at the m25. It's confusing somtimes though as Sutton and Croydon for example are London boroughs but are in Surrey.

My family is all from London (Paddington, Brockley and East Ham) and would all have different views on this I am sure.

When you watch BBC breakfast and they say "new from where you are", is it London?

I think you might be posher than me trills.

Penge is in south-east London, in the London Borough of Bromley. Bromley is one of the larger 32 London borough's and part of it borders Kent. It's zone 4/5.

Not sure why there is surprise that Kingston is part of London - it has been since 1965 - this was when there was big LG changes in London and the surrounding counties

I grew up in Penge, was quite upset today when I heard the news. Had friends in that road. It's London. Suburbia, but London. I used to live just inside the SE20 border - next road along was officially in Beckenham, which I would count as Kent even though it's still in the London Borough of Bromley.

And yy to the pp talking about the community spirit - it was more like living in a village than a suburb, nothing like anywhere I've lived since.

Oh yes, I don't go up at the end of blancmange! Just Pohnzhay

I grew up in zone 1 and the only people who refered to zone 1 as 'London' were people who generally lived in zone's 3,4,5 and the borders. To us it was the 'West End'.

I can't be that posh if my initial description of how to pronounce Penge was "like pen and the end of minge"...