The fraud is awful but why isn't eveyone more worried about the children

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www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/15/mother-jailed-for-forcing-children-to-undergo-unnecessary-medica/

The fraud is 😳 But tbh the focus should be more of the harm she did to the children rather than the money ff this is very frightening

Poor children

And the poor GP new somthing was a foot but was ignored

You are cunts. Big cunts.

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Can we have woggles?

Can't find the list of things she said they had?

How did the Dad dodge blame?

gasman is coming in for some seriously unnecessary flak on here. Her posts are much more nuanced than some readers are willing to believe.

I don't deny that gasman has a point re it being important that people don't pass off possible diagnoses as fact. But there are many things he is saying that are shocking from a hcp. Autism as the diagnosis du jour? That is way beyond offensive.

My ds was diagnosed at 7 over the phone by a senior bod at CAMHS, who had never seen him. She felt that because the ed psyche who had seen him at school felt he was probably on the spectrum, and because I agreed with her that I could use Aspergers as a working diagnosis. This phone call took place after I had made a formal complaint to my MP about delays in DS getting an appointment with CAMHS for an assessment for ASD.

Later on the same doctor at CAMHS diagnosed ds with moderate depression and anxiety, prescribed her AD's and advised DH and I to attend family therapy and parenting classes. Two years of utter hell later (two suicide attempts, one hospitalisation, social services and police involvement) and dd was finally referred to a level 4 centre where she was rediagnosed with PTSD, conduct disorder and a personality disorder. She was taken off her meds and appears to be making progress.

Some services for children are lamentable and there's a terrible lack of joined up thinking. A manipulative, bright and determined person could absolutely work the system because everyone else has taken their eye off the ball. This is the result of a fractured, inconsistent and over burdened system of care. :-(

Sorry, that middle paragraph should read 'dd'. Ds was eventually seen by a team for a proper assessment and was formally diagnosed with Aspergers a few months after the bizarre phone call from the CAMHS Doctor.

I have come across gasman before, under the bridge on another forum

I've read the article again a couple of times, and whilst it's clear she lied about living with her husband, I feel a bit uneasy about any accusations of MBP (I'll probably be flamed for this!)

On most of the threads like this there are always a few, including professionals; teachers, Drs, etc who claim that a child they know definitely doesn't have ASD (for examples read this thread again). There are also professionals in observing roles who are not experienced enough to spot the more subtle signs a child might show, especially when masking. For us this included the NHS clinical psychologist, although she did actually see the signs but left them off the report. It is also fairly common for parents of DC to be autistic themselves, perhaps without knowing. This can lead to different behaviours during assessments and medical appointments which may start alarm bells. This leaves some parents wide open to accusations of crap parenting and it's not unknown for some parents to be falsely accused of MBP. I was particularly persistent during ds's assessments, with support workers who knew bugger all about ASD, and this backfired on me, although not to the point of MBP accusations, but enough for the whole thing to be really fucking traumatic. I didn't lie at all throughout the process, but it was assumed that I did.

Re. the feeding tube, this isn't something I know about, but I do know a couple of DC who have feeding tubes in but can still eat normally, unless these DC,s parents also have MBP there must be some presedence set for this to happen enough for me to know 2 DC in my limited social world who have a tube and can (and do) also eat normally. Happy to be corrected here.

I'm sure there's more to this case than has been reported, or maybe I haven't read closely enough, but with regards to MBP, or if not that inventing medical conditions for financial gain, well, on the information we have, I do feel uneasy about it. DLA is not easy to claim and needs lots of evidence from professionals. Autism diagnoses are not handed out to anyone who asks for them.

I may be completely wrong here, but this has bugged me since reading this earlier today.

Re tube feeding. DS can eat properly but will not take in enough food orally to sistain him so most goes down tube as milk (he's 14 mo). I'm guessing your friends kids with tubes just don't eat enough to grow. These kids were seen at restaurants etc eating normally and presumably proper portions

She told kids to mimic austistic traits. Presumably told hospital "he's autostic" and cos he's presenting with autistic traits they didn't question. Suspect there was a diagnosis.
I go in to hospotal and recite all my son's medical needs, chromosomes, feeds, medicines - no one questions it. I could probably add a few on and no one would check cos i present as intelligent, well informed, loving.

I think the public wants it to be MBP to explain it rather than her just being a sick evil woman. Judge doesn't seem to think MBP otherwise ot wouldn't be a straight custodial sentence presumably.

Still don't get how Dad has walked away clean. House full of medicines!

The children I know I've seen at McDonalds and at childrens' parties eating the same as my DC.
One was at school with ds and would eat school lunches, but some days would have a tube feed in the afternoon as well.

Where does it say she told them to mimic ASD traits? I didn't spot that in the article.

I'm not saying she's not guilty btw, just explaining why I feel uneasy about this because it's fairly common for parents to be accused of making up stuff to get a diagnosis (for what reason, I have no idea!)

In self diagnosis (I assume it's the same with by proxy), there are three possibilities - munchausens, malingering and hypochondria. She can't just be "a sick evil woman", unless you believe in a biblical kind of evil.

I'm guessing if you asked the parents, there's a calorie or fluid defecit. Just my experience.

The parent, from Croydon, south London, who cannot be named for legal reasons, even encouraged her son to show behaviours consistent with autism, and resisted attempts by nursery staff to toilet train him from the Telegraph

Pig there was also tons of unused meds in the house, special milk etc cos she was having it but didn't need it. This woman def made it all up!

People rape and murder kids, adults etc. Some people are just evil. Why does it always jave to be an ah he couldn't help it he was ill thing?

And if she put her kids through procedures some of us cry at night over, through ops some of us pace the halls in agony through, just for money - yeah i think she's evil

Ah, ok, I missed those bits, thank you.

I suppose it's difficult to imagine why someone would do that, and it sits easier to put it down to illness rather than being out and out evil.

Each has different motivation. Munchausens or hypochondria are more illness (Munchausens motivated by sympathy, hypochondria (health anxiety) by genuine belief) but malingering is motivated by monetary gain.

So if she was motivated by money, it wasn't munchausens

There's no official suggestion it was i don't think and her sentencing i would say reflects that

Oh joy, gasman is a potato person.

Potato people can actually fuck off.

Having said that, I knew a woman who I am convinced had MBP. Her DS had been in and out of hospital with stomach complaints from very young. Tests were done and nothing found, but the poor kid would be vomiting and have endless diarrhoea. A year or so later, when they had moved health authority, it would start again, stays in hospital, drugs, exploratory surgery even a period of time in an isolation ward. Her DD bore the brunt of it though, she contracted a viral infection, so she was actually ill for a while, but the mother decided she had cancer and would not take no for an answer. When the hospital in one place refused to do further tests, because they had ruled out cancer and diagnosed the viral infection conclusively, she took her to a hospital in a different country and put her through the same tests, and then another country.

I'm not ashamed to say that I spoke to SS about her behaviour and they went back through the children's medical records from everywhere they had lived and she was a whisker away from having the children taken into care.

Miraculously, neither child has had a day's serious illness since, but are still being overseen by SS and any illness is looked at.

I cannot imagine putting a child through painful tests and operations, it was awful enough when the ASD bombshell dropped, despite being well aware of their ANs. The concept is alien to me.

What's a potato person???

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