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The fraud is awful but why isn't eveyone more worried about the children

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pleasemothermay1 · 15/08/2016 21:49

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/15/mother-jailed-for-forcing-children-to-undergo-unnecessary-medica/

The fraud is 😳 But tbh the focus should be more of the harm she did to the children rather than the money ff this is very frightening

Poor children

And the poor GP new somthing was a foot but was ignored

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BeyondLovesSweetDee · 17/08/2016 16:30

It'd be an interesting experiment, dodgy...

DodgySpot · 17/08/2016 16:37

All right then. Grin

All you posters expressing disbelief at a child's disability, that think autism/aspergers isn't a 'real' disability or is in some way related to parenting ability then...

You are cunts. Big cunts.

Tried not to get wound up but fuck it.

GrimmauldPlace · 17/08/2016 16:38

You are cunts. Big cunts

Best post of the day Grin

BeyondLovesSweetDee · 17/08/2016 16:41

Seconded!!

PigPigTrotters · 17/08/2016 16:44

Thirded Grin

insan1tyscartching · 17/08/2016 16:46

You are cunts. Big cunts

Definitely Grin Perhaps we should use something similar on threads rather than reporting or explaining. Would be most effective if it was done my many in the so called "SN brigade"

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 17/08/2016 16:48

This happened before as some people were so upset by disablism.

They got deleted and the disablists took the moral high ground "you SN brigade as so aggressive" etc.

Agree though.

DodgySpot · 17/08/2016 16:49

I'm quite happy to have that as my new 'sn brigade' siren.

Im sick of having to educate people.

If they don't want to be cunts they can educate themselves.

PolterGoose · 17/08/2016 16:54

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Alfieisnoisy · 17/08/2016 16:54

Anyone expressing disbelief at my DS's diagnosis is welcome to spend a week with him Grin. That should sort them out.

He is lovely, funny, gregarious and active. He also does not sleep well, gets anxious about separation and bed wets. He oaces the house talks to himself most evenings so forget all that "relax in front of the TV" shit. He is exhausting to be around.

I wouldn't swap he for the world though as he is utterly gorgeous and lovely.

JacobFryesTopHatLackey · 17/08/2016 17:13

Dodgy kudos to you. I am sick of parents of SN children having to be reasonable, soft voiced and ever patient. Educating in polite, measured tones in a world weary yet benevolent way.

Fuck that shit.

TalkingSheds · 17/08/2016 17:39

Just caught up on this thread.

Shocking what that mother did!

But yes ASD children, and adults, do react differently in different situations, my 2 certainly do.

I've had a locum GP say to me, while ds1 was going through dx, that he wasn't on the spectrum, shows what she knew.

Also had a foot consultant (whatever they are called) flip through ds1's notes, spot his diagnoses and say, it must be mild then. We had only been in the room 5 minutes, and he was sat smiling on my knee.
Ds1 is a wee smiler and hugger, ds2 on the other hand is whirlwind!!

Just because they have "Dr" in front of their name, does not mean they know JACK SHIT about autism.

AliceInUnderpants · 17/08/2016 17:42

Have skimmed through the remainder of the thread since I read it yesterday. Disgusted at some of the comments and ignorance on here.

I think cunt is a very appropriate word in this context.

hazeyjane · 17/08/2016 18:51

You are cunts. Big cunts.

Love from

The SN Brigade xx

DailyMailEthicalFail · 17/08/2016 18:58

Oh, I've had a Senior Pead tell me that ds couldn't 'be on the Spectrum as he picked up a chair and moved it around the table when asked to'.

Very sad story for both children and mother however.

The Judge made it clear that 'they still loved her'. Now they are separated.

SealSong · 17/08/2016 19:05

Where does it say in that article that the child HAD A DIAGNOSIS of autism? It just says that the Mother told health professionals that he had Autism, not that he had been diagnosed.

ohdearme1958 · 17/08/2016 21:00

Oh, I've had a Senior Pead tell me that ds couldn't 'be on the Spectrum as he picked up a chair and moved it around the table when asked to

How about this from a Dr -,he's not autistic, My friend in Birmkngham has a son who's autistic and your son is nothing like him.

And another thing - your son has eye contact. It's another sign he's not autistic. Perhaps you need to get a job. Yeah cos it's not like 5 children didnt keep me busy.

Thankfully we were able to have him removed from his position after a few months and the day I saw his aircraft going up the runway I might have said good riddance. Or something like it.

SatansLittleHelper2 · 17/08/2016 21:04

Why are people suggesting the woman was ill ?? She wasn't ill, she was fucking greedy, money was the motivation in this case.

I'm both appalled and baffled by it all, mainly because I know how hard it is to be taken seriously and what goes into an Autism diagnosis.

SatansLittleHelper2 · 17/08/2016 21:09

My son is severely Autistic, I was reading through some of his old reports recently and in one it was stated they were unable to assess ds as he wouldn't come out from under the table (( where he was squinting at the light coming in through the holes they have for cables etc )) I remember the day clearly, he smacked his head off the floor repeatedly, eventually he smacked it so hard they had a Doctor check him over. He was two then, he wasn't officially diagnosed until he was almost 8.

They do not dish out these diagnosis like sweeties. How people manage to blag their way through I don't know.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 17/08/2016 21:11

Yes a neurologist once told me DD didn't have autism as she had facial expressions.

BeyondLovesSweetDee · 17/08/2016 21:27

I once saw a locum gp re DS1s hearing. When he said it was fine I said i wasn't surprised as I was halfway through official-ising my own asd diagnosis and he was very like me. He said, based on our conversation only being about DS and only about 5mins long, "oh you're not autistic". Hmm

hazeimcgee · 17/08/2016 21:57

satans i think people assume muncheusens by proxy (sic) because a mental health issue is easier to swallow than her just being a sick btch.

I actually think her telling proffesionals the kids were autistic is the least evil thing she did as at least it wasn't physically invasive. Presumably she made it sound like they had a diagnosis to avoid them dealing dorectly with the kids about their "ill" health so much?

VeniVidiVickiQV · 17/08/2016 21:57

I've just posted this elsewhere, but my pain management consultant told me on several occasions that he didn't "believe in" ADHD. My son's impulsive behaviour often involved me trying to stop him running off or other things that were a danger to him when he was much younger. Tough when you suffer debilitating pain. So, that was Not Helpful.

An FYI on ADHD (happy for corrections if some of the below has since been updated) - it doesn't mean someone - child or adult - can't sleep. Although it can involve that (my son's official diagnosis is "ADHD with sleep difficulties").

Sleep difficulties can mean not needing much sleep. Or, it can mean that the mechanism for the child to be able to "switch off" and go to sleep doesn't work properly. Or, it can be both. With my son, it is the inability to switch off, for which he takes melatonin - the natural hormone his body doesn't produce very efficiently, to help him .

ADHD is a very heritable condition, which means that it often runs in families (see below regarding undiagnosed adults with mental health disorder diagnoses).

ADHD means there can be difficulty with impulse control. But equally, it can mean that there is also an issue with hyper-focusing (that's the medical term too btw) where the person/child can get deeply absorbed in something they enjoy, and be unable to be drawn away from it, causing issues with "transition times".

ADHD can display behaviours that can be construed as ASD type behaviours, that, upon managing the ADHD, disappear. However, a child can have both types of disorder at once to varying degrees.

Medication sometimes works well to manage ADHD symptoms. The medication provided is a stimulant (not a form of sedative or dampening of behaviour) which stimulates the area of the brain that isn't functioning properly to allow a person to maintain attention. Caffeine can have a similar, albeit milder, effect on the brain as ADHD meds, and so it could be said (in my personal opinion) that people who "need coffee" may indeed be self-medicating......

ADHD affects boys and girls almost equally (with girls more likely to have ADD rather than ADHD), but often each displays differently between the sexes. Girls, like with ASDs, are woefully under-diagnosed because they are able to mask or imitate more, or self-manage more efficiently and seem to be 'functioning' okay.

Girls in particular (but there is considerable risk to both sexes), who are un-diagnosed and have no support in place, go on to develop anxiety, depression, bpd and other more "mainstream" mental health disorders as a result. Which is why a mother of a child who is deemed to be "just behaving badly" can have a history of attempted suicide and depression and both of them have a diagnosis of ADHD/ADD.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 17/08/2016 22:07

I am hearing you here. My DD kept trying to climb out of first floor window today, had to haul her in, have chronic neck pain.

She also needs sleep but can't.

notagiraffe · 17/08/2016 22:16

I don't understand this at all. Three of the problems listed are ones DS actually has. One wasn't picked dup until he was 12, the other two I had to badger and beg medics to take seriously and was questioned by a few who clearly thought I was being melodramatic. How could it get as far as surgery?

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