The fraud is awful but why isn't eveyone more worried about the children

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www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/15/mother-jailed-for-forcing-children-to-undergo-unnecessary-medica/

The fraud is 😳 But tbh the focus should be more of the harm she did to the children rather than the money ff this is very frightening

Poor children

And the poor GP new somthing was a foot but was ignored

Even some neurologists don't get how it affects DD.

Gasman, thank you for your response. I found it very interesting. Especially the part where you wrote 'Mother knows he is a bit weird'.

Thank goodness you're a Paeds Anaesthetist because it at least means your patients will more than likely be too young to understand much of what you say, and those who do understand will more than likely be asleep for most of their dealings with you.

Every cloud and all that.

"The big label".

Your attitude is disgusting.

Please don't refer to children as being "weird" or having "oddities" either.

"Diagnosis de jour" with jokes about it, about a serious neurological disability. I'd expect more from a professional.

Actually I wouldn't, given past experiences.

If you have a godson with it I'm surprised you refer to kids as "weird" tbh.

ohdearme I think you are taking yourself a bit too seriously.

I have several good friends with high functioning autistic children. In all it has been pretty evident from an early point (just as one of the other posters said up thread that she knew from a Really early age) that there were problems. At least two of my friends have described their kids reactions as "weird" or "odd" It was only as they got bigger it became apparent what the problem was.

I wouldn't use "weird" in a professional sense but I would totally understand what a parent meant if they said their kid was a bit "odd" and I think you would to when you aren't clutching your pearls.

Carry on with your HCP bashing, it was all our fault these kids got unnecessary surgery, ti was nothing to do with their lying mother, it is Ning to do wi the intense pressure in the NHS at the moment or diminution of support services or the fact that trying to provide joined up care is totally hindered by time pressure.

While you are being all outraged of tunbridge wells I will carry on trying to deliver really great care to children in 10minute aliquots of time (all I get on the NHS to do pre-op assessment and making of a child centred anaesthetic plan) and the parental feedback I get suggests I don't do such a bad job of that.

Just because the mother was wrong doesn't mean there isnt always room to learn about the interaction with parents side of things and take things on board.

Phrases such as "clutching your pearls" shows you really have no desire to listen to parents though.

With all due respect Gasman, surely as an anaesthetist you don't really have anything to do with diagnoses or whatnot?

For a proper diagnosis a child's parents or primary care givers must be listened to. How else can a diagnosis be truly rigorous? The professionals making the diagnosis need the information only the primary care givers hold.

It truly frightens me when people, like in this case cited by the OP, erode the credibility of parents as primary care givers. It makes assessment processes doubly stressful when you have to jump through hoops just to be taken seriously.

gasman

you are presenting a great example:
of the patronising way HCP's deal with parents of children with difficulties
and the sneering insulting way they actually think about those children and their needs.

Shame on you, frankly.
As someone else said upthread - thank goodness your patients aren't awake to hear you.
And, that parents are only able to 'clutch their pearls' rather than actually, you know, demand professional and civil behaviour when discussing or interacting with them / their children.

How the fuck can she live with herself?

No real experience apart from DD3 being in neonatal for 6 weeks. The feeding tubes, lines and the blood test thing they did on her feet (not sure what it's called) had me inconsolable.

Her poor children.

*DD2 rather I don't have a third.

I find this hard reading. I am torn at the moment as I have personal experience of all the shit that goes with undiagnosed disability and asd, so I am utterly on that sid of this, yet I'm also having my own ishoos with suspecting someone of munchausens (not bp). So I don't know where the line is and I am glad it is not me that has to decide that!

I know where it isn't though, and that's with posts like "Unfortunately I know of several parents who claim there child has Autism or Adhd and they don't..because they are totally different kids and do not act that way at my house" or "it gives the impression your child has special needs when no one thinks they have, I even seen it on here" and finally, from a hcp the idea of autism as the "diagnosis du jour"

Messed my emphasis up, but think it's still readable

Yay. Another one.

This thread is about a woman who abused her children for financial gain. They were put through unnecessary operations. Probably starved as well. Yet the big debate yet again is about autism and adhd. Why?

To the people who describe disabled children as weird or odd. Fuck off.

To the people who think that being naughty is the same as adhd. Fuck off.

To the people who think autism isn't there until you get the piece of paper with the diagnosis. Fuck off.

Or, I dunno, maybe educate yourselves a little before spouting such bollocks.

Hi all,

We'd just like to remind everyone of Myth 1 of the This is My Child campaign - www.mumsnet.com/campaigns/this-is-my-child-myth-1-behavioural-disorders-are-just-bad-behaviour

This extends to parents, too - it's incredibly hard to find support for a child with SN, take a look at Myth 2 - www.mumsnet.com/campaigns/this-is-my-child-myth-2-support-is-easily-accessible

Correct diagnosis and subsequent support remains incredibly tricky and it's important that, despite this awful case, we continue to listen to parents.

Do take a look at the rest of the campaign - it has lots of information about the ways that people can make life a bit easier for disabled people and their carers. Mumsnet's aim is to make parents' lives easier, and we strongly believe that this includes all parents caring for children with disabilities, as well as all parents who have disabilities themselves.

This isn't about limiting valid debate, and of course some people may be posting in genuine ignorance. But where we think posters are refusing to engage sensibly with a debate, or appear to be unwilling to take on board the points that other posters are making, we will take action.

In the media/ social chit chat people get labelled all the time as being "a bit autistic". In the past the jokes used to be about ADHD.

I'm afraid though, this does happen and it is extremely damaging. This phenomenon erodes the perceptions of validity of genuine diagnosis in the pouplace's minds.

I talked about this on another thread which was deleted. My child had some additional needs, described as developmental 'delays' and complex needs but no Autism diagnosis. My child did not 'fit' an Autism diagnosis. No qualified professionals, who we saw during a lengthy assessment, suggested an Autism diagnosis was appropriate. Yet many unqualified people assumed my child either had an Autism diagnosis or that we should actively 'pursue' one. People making these assumptions included Educational professionals who did not know my child very well at all. They often hadn't even read the assessment reports at all or adhere to the advice made in them.

This is damaging to the perception An Autism diagnosis has and the perception other additional needs might have. If my child was incorrectly considered by some unqualified people as having Autism, without having it, other people might believe what the wrong people were saying and assume Autism is something different to what it is.

ohdearme I think you are taking yourself a bit too seriously

On the contrary. It's you that I'm not taking too seriously - Paed Anaesthitist my arse.

One anaesthetist thought the best way to insert a cannula into my son was to have him pinned down to do it. I told her he wouldn't cope with that and to use another option that had worked before. But no, she knew best. He gave her a nasty bite. Maybe she listened in future.

If I call the ignorant posters in this thread cunts that their fathers should have swallowed do you think I would get deleted before or after all the disablist posts?