To think FFS re sad faced breast feeding mums in the Daily Fail?

[Chihuahualala]

Single-mother, 33, thrown out of West End show for breast feeding

dailym.ai/2bdctPE

Fuck off ... And fuck off some more! Ear defenders or not this WAS NOT the place for your offspring! Aggggh!!!

(although if you're going to advanced search me, at least get the time line right. job and wedding planning came after first class degree and baby. I'm not doing it all at once, I put my pants on one leg at a time like everyone else :) )

No, I completely believe you've done all those things (and I'm happy to give you a link to my agent's website page about me), I just don't believe you're the ultimate arbiter of all Internet slang. Slang changes fast, that's part of what makes it slang; I often see slang I'm not familiar with but I wouldn't attack someone for it or claim that slang does not exist.

And I still fail to see how it's relevant to the topic, which is the baby. Everyone seems to have understood just fine what I meant when I described the stories math invented about the baby as "fanfiction" so what does it matter?

argue with herself yes my thought exactly.

QueenLizlll I was being sarcastic, or trying to be, as I was on my phone and very difficult to correct typos. I was referring to you saying upthread that no-one would have seen her breastfeeding anyway under her top etc in a dark theatre (plus she states she chose an aisle seat for quick exit if necessary so presumably her Dsis was sat between her and the next people 'three or four seats away') I was agreeing with you about it being much more likely about the noise baby was making which is the theatre's line.

Why are people now arguing over slang usuage?
Just because some of you have not heard certain words used as slang in one way, does not mean that it's wrong.
I'm older than little yet have heard fanfiction used that way on certain social media accounts.
I may not agree with it, but then i hate the english language being butchered
math i think everybody knows what the real meanings of 'boots' and snatch are, but that wasn't the point that was being made.

francis agreed

I didn't want to embarrass you but the post about seeing the play does not fit any standard definition of fanfiction since it was being presented as a true event.

It gets funnier and funnier.

I am actually astonished that you make a living from writing.
I agree with Ovaries - you are embarrassing yourself.

Everyone seems to have understood just fine what I meant when I described the stories math invented about the baby as "fanfiction" so what does it matter?
Everyone else was reluctant to question your choice of term because they are all being polite to you. This is because they agree with your take on the baby in the theatre. I am neither polite nor in agreement.
For a writer, you don't seem very alert to motivation.
(I am assuming based on evidence on this thread that your writing comes under the heading of 'creative').

The relevance to the topic lies in the way some people can't actually read.

This is closely associated with the tendency to substitute for a reasonable account of this incident their own narrative featuring a selfish, entitled woman and a baby who was an imposition on hard working folks.

Unfortunately for breastfeeding women who may want to enjoy life outside their own homes, that sort of narrative does real damage.

It is not surprising that a poster here alluded to the difficulties of EBF in such a hostile world:

"I'm still ebf an 8 month old and get enough faces as it is without people lumping me in with selfish nutters like this.
I don't go out anywhere that's not baby friendly. That's the choice I've made."

It is not surprising that this poster has noted that there are some places that are baby friendly and some that are not, nor that she has been greeted with a hostile reception, or that she has essentially been intimidated into curtailing her social life.

What is surprising is that she implies that her decision to only go to baby friendly places is an unselfish choice, and that the poster can't see that 'selfish nutters' are not the problem.

Women need to start identifying the real enemy here. It is not other women who breastfeed. It is not lactivists.

...and there's the inevitable and self-serving misuse of the word 'bully'. Right on cue.

Tch. The youth of today, eh?

Math- Women need to start identifying the real enemy here. It is not other women who breastfeed. It is not lactivists.
The 'enemy' ?
Really? You see this as a battle between Mums who BF and those who don't?
You are very wrong.

Well this thread has gone into new realms of weird..

IT'S NOT ABOUT BREASTFEEDING

I think its called 'False-consensus effect'

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False-consensus_effect

'When confronted with evidence that a consensus does not exist, people often assume that those who do not agree with them are defective in some way.'

Math- You seem so wrapped up in a battle about BF rights that you can't see any other perspective.
It is NOT about breastfeeding!

Of course it's not about breastfeeding, it's about a desperate desire to be right and "win" at any costs.
Look how enthusiastic she was to ditch the breastfeeding debate entirely to launch a brand new line of attack against slang (on the site that invented biscuit as slang for troll, LOL).

Give up.
Math doesn't get it.
The poor breastfeeding mother being bullied.
Ofcourse none of the people at the theatre or on here couldn't possible have/be/or support breastfeeding could they? Oh no

Oh ffs. So everyone on here who believes the theatre's version that this was not about breastfeeding but about a baby crying/distracting theatre go-ers during an adult show either can't read or has limited understanding of the English language and/or babies and breastfeeding (incredible really on a site called Mumsnet) ?
So no breastfeeding mother has ever played the 'Oh it was because I was breastfeeding' card because they were angry at being asked to leave a theatre (or whatever) for another reason ?. Or been mistaken in thinking it was about her breastfeeding when it in fact wasn't ? Or presumed the people that complained about the noise the baby was making were really anti breastfeeding vigilantes , disguising it as a noise/disturbance complaint.

Just as no-one ever plays the race card, the sexual discrimination card and so on.

So everyone who has ever claimed to be the victim of an 'ism' has genuinely been so?
No need for court cases , the legal system or lawyers or solicitors then really is there ? Someone cries discrimination and ........gavel.

This isn't about bfing. Stupid woman.

The theatre staff shouldn't have let the baby in. You can't take babies everywhere. That show was not suitable.

And the baby needed a feed after only 10 mins? Ridiculous.If you're going somewhere you don't want to disturb people, make sure baby is fed and happy when you go in.

Pretending this is all about bfing is a red herring. She thinks she's more important than everyone else. Should everyone have had to put up with her baby making a noise? No. (And I bf my dc. Just not in a theatre.)

Yes Cocktail it did amuse me that the woman said 'ten minutes into the show DD was due a feed' ..........not that she was crying for a feed (that would be supportive of the claims she was in fact crying) or that the baby let her know in any way she wanted feeding but simply that she was 'due' for a feed. That is one of the reasons I believe the theatres version that people complained the baby was disturbing the show (as in crying) rather than believe the mother 'suddenly realised ten minutes in ' that her watch said the baby was due a feed not the baby herself indicated this by crying. The latter would explain why the staff member approached her shortly after she started breastfeeding , i.e .shortly after she had been crying/screaming.

I'm going to need more popcorn.

So no breastfeeding mother has ever played the 'Oh it was because I was breastfeeding' card because they were angry at being asked to leave a theatre (or whatever) for another reason ?. Or been mistaken in thinking it was about her breastfeeding when it in fact wasn't ? Or presumed the people that complained about the noise the baby was making were really anti breastfeeding vigilantes , disguising it as a noise/disturbance complaint.
Just as no-one ever plays the race card, the sexual discrimination card and so on.

Oh dear, I've read that three times now, but you really said that.

Math- "Women need to start identifying the real enemy here. It is not other women who breastfeed. It is not lactivists".
The 'enemy' ?
Really? You see this as a battle between Mums who BF and those who don't?
You are very wrong.

Elodie, you have the singular gift of getting the complete wrong end of the stick.

Every.

Time.

I'm still ebf an 8 month old and get enough hmm faces as it is without people lumping me in with selfish nutters like this.
I don't go out anywhere that's not baby friendly. That's the choice I've made."*

Math I actually laughed out loud that you said my attitude was indicative of a world hostile to breastfeeding. Anyone who knows me would also laugh.

I am so so so so so pro breastfeeding. I wap them out anywhere and everywhere. What I do not do (and would not do even if I was bottle feeding) is take my baby to somewhere completely unsuited to babies. Like an adult theatre perfomance. It's nothing to do with feeding and all to do with babies babies being nosy and annoying for people who have paid good money for an enjoyable time without random shrieking interrupting things.

Maybe I should have phrased myself a bit differently though. When I say I only go to baby friendly places I don't mean I only go to places that are overtly FOR babies. I don't spend my life at Gymboree and the feeding room at Mothercare. I lead a normal life because actually the UK is mostly pretty baby and breastfeeding compatible. I go to shops and restaurants and stately homes and garden centres and parks and museums and country walks and all the places I used to go pre baby. With a few exceptions of places that are utterly incompatible with babies. Like theatres.

The faces are just about feeding an 8month old (from friends and relatives I should add, who do a head tilty 'how long do you think you'll carry on feeding him then?' every time they see me) not as a result of feeding in public. Never had a problem with that.

Sorry/ I'm not being very clear. But I certainly don't want to be taken as evidence of a world hostile to breastfeeding. It's certainly not actively pro breastfeeding I agree. I certainly have to maintain a polite silence while all my formula feeding friends have conversations about how formula is just as good, and (because we've never got DS to take a bottle) endless pitying comments about not being able to have a night out (don't mind! Hate nights out!), and as I plan to Bf past the first year I'm already feeling awkward about all the 'if it can ask to a boob it's too old to have it' comments, but that's another discussion entirely. I certainly don't have to curtail my social life to any extent that anyone else with a small child and no family supoort would. And I've found most places and people fairly indifferent to breastfeeding. Not hostile.

Math : Elodie, you have the singular gift of getting the complete wrong end of the stick. Every. Time.

No Math. you're wrong again.
I disagree with what ^you write*.
Maybe you can't articulate accurately.... I have no idea what is going on in your head but there is no reasoning with you. You are determined to go on and on about this 'poor' woman's rights but you don't give a damn about the rights of others at the theatre. Your attitude is as selfish and ignorant as the theatre woman herself.