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To think FFS re sad faced breast feeding mums in the Daily Fail?

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Chihuahualala · 12/08/2016 23:13

Single-mother, 33, thrown out of West End show for breast feeding

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Fuck off ... And fuck off some more! Ear defenders or not this WAS NOT the place for your offspring! Aggggh!!!

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FrancisCrawford · 31/08/2016 10:36

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mathanxiety · 31/08/2016 21:58

Actually, Elodie, I will stick with the perfectly normal and perfectly clear original wording.

Hopefully since I supplied an explanation for the benefit of the comprehension-challenged you are no longer entertaining the ridiculous idea you thought was reasonable.

I see your problem lay with the phrase 'in favour of', even though the meaning of 'bumped in favour of' is perfectly clear. Even though it wasn't clear to you, you could still have worked out what I wrote by dismissing the ludicrous idea you concocted and choosing the reasonable scenario that I wrote about. (The one that everyone else seems to have understood. Cue no doubt a barrage of posts insisting they couldn't understand either..)

Instead you chose to interpret what I wrote in a way that reinforced a fixed and really troubling idea that women bring children places in order to use them as some sort of trump card, and they are shameless about how much inconvenience this causes others, or even how much this endangers other people.

This is turning into a most revealing thread.

mathanxiety · 31/08/2016 21:58

Bahhhhhumbug - my point being that for four out of five of my children, a trip to the doctor's office was not essential. This was in response to 'The comparison with taking a baby to a hot doctor's waiting room or hospital etc doesn't make sense because usually that is an essential trip. A West End show is not an essential trip.'

mathanxiety · 31/08/2016 22:00

Francis, the probability of a ten month old with ear defenders falling asleep and sleeping right through a theatre performance after 7 pm is actually really high.

Ten o'clock in the morning, not so much.

Horsegirl1 · 31/08/2016 22:05

Why shouldn't she go ? If the baby was happy nursing and was quiet what the hell is wrong ? If the baby was screaming fair enough but I see no harm at all if babu was happily design and content

Horsegirl1 · 31/08/2016 22:05

baby feeding not design . Darn phone

littleprincesssara · 31/08/2016 22:45

Horsegirl the baby was screaming. They staff had no issue with her breastfeeding, they asked her to step out of the auditorium temporarily because three people complained about the baby screaming, then threw her out completely when she refused to do so.

FrancisCrawford · 31/08/2016 23:03

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mathanxiety · 31/08/2016 23:10

Horsegirl, some people here have trouble understanding that a report from someone who didn't witness any incident himself, but that was based on alleged complaints from three alleged people, and the say so of a front office official who also didn't witness the incident are not necessarily the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

They see what they want to see. It suits the fixation they have with flagrantly entitled women being far too free with their assumptions about where they can go.

I wasn't 'proved wrong' Francis. Allegations are not proof, and a baby who is awake at 7.10 pm might be asleep at 7.20, unless the baby and mother were disturbed by an usher and asked to pack up and leave.

mathanxiety · 31/08/2016 23:12

That should be 'allegedly according to others', Francis. We do not have the direct word of the alleged complaining parties. We don't know if they are a figment of someone's imagination.

Sparklingbrook · 31/08/2016 23:16

This thread has been going on and on since August 12th. Have there been any updates re this 'news' story since then?

Yorkieheaven · 31/08/2016 23:17

I expect it's about compensation. Or fail sponsored.

littleprincesssara · 31/08/2016 23:20

Horsegirl, one of my close friends personally witnessed the entire thing.

Math - a poster of strong and unique opinions who is rather well-known for insisting that anyone with a different opinion or anyone who has had different life experiences from her is working under an insidious agenda - insists that I am lying, that the three people who made complaints are lying, and the two staff members are both lying and also breaching both contract and protocol in order to promote our anti-breastfeeding or child-hating agenda.

Despite the fact some of us are breastfeeding mothers.

Because it is simply not physically possible that a woman would allow a child to scream in public, and children never scream in public anyway since mothers are all so intuitively in touch with their babies they can predict their behaviour.

Sparklingbrook · 31/08/2016 23:23

Found a piece from 17/8

www.thestage.co.uk/news/2016/arts-theatre-rebuts-claims-of-breastfeeding-discrimination/

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metaphoricus · 01/09/2016 00:35

I can't get past the fact that any responsible parent would voluntarily take a 10 month old child anywhere, where it's going to need ear defenders! A 10 month old isn't going to keep them on! Indeed, the mother herself says the child kept pulling them off! I despair.
Why risk them delicate little lugs? The child might even have been howling in pain. Who knows? I think this is a neglect for the child's well-being.

littleprincesssara · 01/09/2016 00:38

It's good the theatre have confirmed that they explicitly allow breastfeeding everywhere, including inside the auditorium.

I hope more places follow that policy.

mathanxiety · 01/09/2016 00:57

I'm suggesting that someone made such a nuisance of him or herself about a breastfeeding baby that the front office decided they could eject the mother, Francis.

It's good the theatre have confirmed that they explicitly allow breastfeeding everywhere, including inside the auditorium.
What is your take on this Elodie?

That's a rehash of the earlier FB review page, Sparkling. No new light has been shone on the incident. The statement by BB Hook was based on what he was told by the front office. The mother's statement directly contradicts the narrative he posted on FB, that was rehashed in the link. We still have three alleged complaints about alleged 'screaming', vs. the first hand account of the mother stating 'she was removed from the theatre during a performance of American Idiot for breastfeeding her child, adding that theatre staff had told her the baby was disturbing other patrons.
“He [the staff member] said we had to leave because another member of the audience had complained that my child was being distracting,” she said.'

Wrt the idea that I have accused someone of lying - here is what I posted:
You really can't post on an internet board of complete strangers about your 'friend' and expect to be believed.
You cannot base an opinion on second hand information whose source you cannot prove, at all, ever, and try to persuade someone that they should believe your version of events, because you really, really do have a 'friend' who was there.

If you persist in insisting you can do it, then so can I.

You have no way to prove that I do not have a friend who attended the theatre and sat close to this woman and her party and never heard a peep out of the baby.

As a matter of fact I really, really do have a friend who sat close to this woman and her party and never heard a peep out of the baby.
Can you prove otherwise?

Believe it or not, this is not the same as calling someone a liar.

kali110 · 01/09/2016 07:28

Omg now you're comparing you having to go to a doctors office for an essential check up ( with no tv-horror!) to a theatre show Grin
This has been hilarious.
One last time math if you'd read her original statement, even the woman herself said she didn't know if it was because of breastfeeding...
Now you doubt the complainers?
Then why not doubt the woman? ( no because she can't possibly be wrong).

littleprincesssara so glad you think this too.

FrancisCrawford · 01/09/2016 07:59

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Sparklingbrook · 01/09/2016 08:33

no new light has been shone on the incident. I doubt it ever will be. It's all gone v quiet. Except in one tiny corner of MN strangely.

FrancisCrawford · 01/09/2016 08:36

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Sparklingbrook · 01/09/2016 08:39

True Francis. Grin

Bahhhhhumbug · 01/09/2016 08:49

Math

Bahhhhhumbug - my point being that for four out of five of my children, a trip to the doctor's office was not essential. This was in response to 'The comparison with taking a baby to a hot doctor's waiting room or hospital etc doesn't make sense because usually that is an essential trip. A West End show is not an essential trip.

But you actually said :

I had several years when all five of them used to have to go with me if one had an ear infection, etc.

you further went on to say:

I would sit in the waiting room, pregnant, waiting for my regularly scheduled checkup, with those children of mine who weren't in school that day.
So you only took those you had to or those who weren't in school that day
But even if you didn't have to take them to the doctors with you , but decided to take them anyway, you still cant compare taking your babies/toddlers to a doctors with taking a baby/toddler to an adult West End theatre show. One is a leisure activity for you (and other adults) one is not (presumably ! ).

mathanxiety · 01/09/2016 12:57

Kali, I think she was implying she couldn't believe someone would eject her for doing something that was perfectly legal.

Bah, I really am bemused by whatever it is you are trying to say there or what issue you have...
Five children over the space of eleven years/summer holidays here go from late May to late August/I was normally pregnant over late summer-autumn-winter, with babies born in April and May/children tended to get ear infections in the local outdoor pool in summer. Some appointments were for illness in the children. Some appointments were for OB checkups. Different doctors. No TV? = Quieter waiting room.

Believe it or not, women may choose to take babies along with them to leisure activities. This is the beauty of having legal public breastfeeding.