Re:smoking on the beach

[kansasmum]

At the beach today with ds. It's fairly busy, lots of kids running around.
I am surrounded by people smoking. 2 people behind me are smoking and a woman in front of me. Plus a group of people just down the beach a bit who are all Smoking. It stinks.
I know it's an open space so they are entitled I suppose but it's horrible and there are kids running around etc. You can't help but smell it etc!
Just wish beaches were smoke free zones. Plus all of them are putting the cigarette ends in the sand!
Aibu to be annoyed?!!

Are we having a smoke in

I wouldn't smoke in a playground or around kids at all.

Last time I was at the beach I put my fag ends in an empty Smirnoff ice bottle (classy)

Littering and smoking are separate issues at least for some people.

merchant. I was making a point about there being more cars on the road than ever before, but no-one ever grumbles about the toxic fumes they produce because cars are supposedly 'essential' whereas smoking is seen as a 'leisure activity'. But the fact that childhood asthma is on the increase, while smoking is on the decline, would seem to point to other environmental factors being the root cause. I choose to vape, and that option is becoming less and less socially acceptable as well.

Judy.
She was miles away from me and there were no kids about only the teens at the top end of the field. The sign was tiny, I missed it and they are not upheld by law, being just a request an all.
My smoke wouldn't have affected her at all, she was being a busy body.
She fell over and rolled down a hill, it was so funny.

maybe they have smoking patrol Police in Australia, you can never see a Police person in England, it would never work here, don't be silly. Who would stop you?

Definitely agree about cars, they should be allowed on a need basis only.
Want to visit your sister, no.
Your job doesn't involve driving, get the train, cycle or change job.
I would love to see this and safer streets for dc to walk to school.
far to many self entitled people polluting our world with their cars.

I'd rather sit next to a smoker than a parent who thinks it's fine for their precious snowflake to fling sand over everyone within a 10 metre radius and run over my towels scattering sand in my face.

Must learn to be more assertive and throw sand back at the little fuckers

Yeah, no one ever grumbles about car fumes..?!

Smoking is a leisure activity. It serves literally no purpose.

We're discussing smoking. You can make any assumptions as you like about what I might think about other things, or go on about how no one conplains about x, y or z- but none of that is relevant, is it?

Deflect away, if it makes you feel big. But you won't, and can't, defend the indefensible.

gilly thank you. I live near a busy main road and my flat stinks of petrol fumes. Imagine if I were to go out and accuse them of being anti-social! In the 'olden' days, people made do with one car per family, if that, and worked their travel arrangements around one another. People did 'car-shares'. Now, if every family member is over 17, then they each have to have a car. Cars are far more destructive to the environment that some poor sod smoking a Malboro Light on a beach.

Another great post. .. because flinging sand is also anti-social somehow that makes smoking less offensive in itself.

#logicfail

merchant. 'The indefensible'? Really? Just be grateful that, but for the grace of God, you do not have an addiction. No smoker plans on being hooked for life when they start. Lobby the government to ban tobacco products if you wish. You'd be doing many of us a favour. But no, they still want the revenue from taxes, while encouraging disgust at those who do smoke. I'd be interested to hear your opinions on why you think the government wants to crack down on vaping products, rather than cigarettes.

Interesting that the NHS got me addicted to prescription drugs and then had to pay for my rehab

Lorazepam Google it. Its evil bloofy evil

'The outrage on this thread is making me laugh.. grin'

It's hilarious! As is the image of an outraged loon rolling down a hill. Now that I'd have laughed at. I vape, btw, but I'd happily puff on a fag just to get some of these people's goat.

'We're discussing smoking. '

Well, some people are.

portia The pharmaceutical companies supplying your drugs probably made a shed-load more money than it ever cost for your rehab treatment - and you can bet your life the government made a mint too. It's laughable that they produce shoddy 'Drink Aware' campaigns, while also flexing licensing laws so that you can buy booze at 6am.

I don't care who made fucking money, I just know I went to hell and stayed there for a couple of years because of a prescription. I'm sure those in recovery understand.
Self righteous twattery and bloody statistics are quoted to often

Sorry Jess

Itshould Once again, you know NOTHING about me. You don't know if I have or have had an addiction. Yiu don't know whether I have supported someone with an addiction. You don't know that I even actively object to smoking per se. I have repeatedly objected to people smoking in public spaces and near children. I have no problem at all with people dealing with their addiction in their own home.

Wow. Some of you think you're so very clever with your endless deflections - 'oh this is worse'; 'oh I bet you don't mind this' etc etc.

The bottom line is whether it is better to a) smoke around children in open spaces or b) not.

You can spout all you like about the NHS and its priorities. But that's not the issue either. The initial point was about where you smoke, not whether.

But carry on, cool kids. Laugh at the earnest, square posters. Keep mocking that 'high moral ground'. You're doing great.

No, Portia what I meant was that the govt makes gods knows how much cash out of booze, fags and pharmaceuticals, and that the rehab care provided for those of us who do get addicted, probably costs a fraction of that income.

The amount of money I spent on my own alcohol addiction should probably afforded me a year long stay in the Priory; what I got was a six week out-patient programme in a local hospital. If people like merchant feel so strongly about the selling and purchase of addictive substances, then they should lobby the government to stop selling them, rather than attacking those of us who are already addicted.

'But carry on, cool kids. Laugh at the earnest, square posters. Keep mocking that 'high moral ground'. You're doing great.'

Thanks for the compliment. This is all highly entertaining.

merchant. I absolutely do not have the higher ground here. I've been an alcoholic and while I vape, I often do slip back into smoking. I wouldn't smoke in a playground; hell, I'm paranoid about vaping in a playground. I have smoked on the beach; it's a big beach and I'm not breathing it in childrens' faces but I am aware people don't think it's socially acceptable and I get that.

The reason I am defending smokers - and all addicts - is because unless you've been there, you will not understand how hard it is to overcome.

Do people still say "square" these days?

(above post to expat, obviously)

'You come across as the worst sort of scum'

Yep, right up there with Peter Sutcliffe and Ben Laden, those smokers. Get a fucking grip and a life whilst you're at it if you're going to start being personally insulting.

What's to defend? It's legal in the outdoors, so people do it. I don't smoke at all, I vape, but if my kids are in the open air and there are smokers, I don't see the problem. I have bigger fish to fry.

I prefer to wank over images of Usian Bolt, btw, he's far sexier than silly sprits on MN.

Smoking and littering does correlate. No smoker ever has stubbed out their cigarette in the sand and put the dog end in their pocket 

When I smoked a few years ago I would have a bottle with a bit of sand or water in the bottom and use that as an ashtray, put the lid on it when done and put it in a bin. I never threw cigarette ends on the ground just like I wouldn't throw other litter on the ground.

I don't have to justify anything to you or anyone else, Merchant, but carry on getting yourself in a tissy, it's mildly amusing to some (myself included).