To think this person should be in jail?

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/female-transsexual-walks-free-court-8546941

Anyone else not comfortable with this being counted as a crime committed by a woman? And really not comfortable with this person not going to jail? I don't care if there are no female specific classes, (there is a reason for that btw, because women don't do this shit) this person was male enough to commit the crime they are male enough to go to men's prison.

Pearlman do you not recognize or accept that women have been and are attacked/assaulted/intimidated by male-bodied people in situations where they are vulnerable? How are women supposed to know the difference between a transwoman who wouldn't dream of behaving like that, and a man who would? In the same way that women can't distinguish between a man who wouldn't behave like that and a man who would. So to protect women, certain situations are segregated by sex. That's what I don't want to be eroded.

Lol, did you call someone a penis? Are you 10?

Well that's mature. Basically your argument is fuck them? It doesn't matter how they feel, what their behaviours are, the only thing that matters is your right to exclude them? Sorry, doesn't work that way. And it doesn't matter what procedure they go through so that you don't have to - gasp - tolerate their penises, they will never be 'woman enough' for you? Forgive me if I think the penis in this situation is you, won't you?

See, this entire paragraph shows that you understand nothing about why women might be concerned about transgender issues. That you cannot even understand that not wanting to be in close proximity to a penis might just extend beyond wanting to 'exclude' people. Are you really that blinkered?

This person has undergone a sex change operation. I therefore presume that the accused now has a vagina. Are you saying this does not make them physically female? Really?

The vagina is a muscular and tubular part of the female genital tract, which in humans extends from the vulva to the cervix. The outer vaginal opening may be partly covered by a membrane called the hymen. At the deep end, the cervix (neck of the uterus) bulges into the vagina. The vagina allows for sexual intercourse and childbirth, and channels menstrual flow, which occurs periodically as part of the menstrual cycle.

No, that's a vagina.

Just like the guy pictured before doesn't really have a lizard's tongue. He has a human tongue that has been cut in a fork shape. A hole is not a vagina.

'Lucky enough to have been born women' - are you having a laugh?

I'm not denying their womanhood on a whim. They are simply not women.

Also, pearlman, womanhood is not a 'status' - it's just a thing you either have or don't. You can't attain it and you can't lose it.

when actually their actions and experiences are harmful to no-one.

You can keep on repeating that redefining 'female' to include transwomen is 'harmful to no-one' but it doesn't make it true.

I find it very bizarre that Pearlman can accommodate all the logical contortions of trans theory and wholly empathise with trans women's dysphoric perceptions of themselves, yet cannot think of a single example where women might not want to have to share intimate space with biological men. To which his/her entire response is to tell women how prejudiced they are and how they should get over it because it doesn't affect them. How many times do people have to tell you that there is a clash of rights and they're not happy with how this is going? Because it does affect them? Have you got some sort of blind spot?

Their actions are harmful to women and several people have given examples of how.

I think you hate men

Ah that old chestnut. Dismissing anyone who wants to defend women's rights as a 'man Hater'.

Being born a man gives you a very different experience to being born a woman. Being transgender also gives you a very different experience and identity compared to identifying either as a man or a woman for the entirety of your life. There is no problem at all with acknowledging the difficulties that people who are transgender face, along with respecting their different experiences and individual wishes to identify as male or female.

The problem comes when women are expected to accept the experiences of somebody who is transgender as being identical to their own. The experiences and struggles are not the same in all respects. Somebody who was born a man has probably never had to experience the comments or hints that society sends out to young girls that women are weaker / less committed to their careers / more emotional / will never attract a man unless they look and act in a certain way. They are less likely to have been sexually harassed or assaulted by older, physically stronger men in what should be safe environments (public and private). They have not normally had to deal with puberty and menstruation in the same way. Acknowledging those differences and feeling that it might be dangerous to allow a person to speak for "women" and to have an equal say on these issues just because she has become a woman at a later stage in her life does not make a person transphobic or backward thinking. It is a very important new issue that society faces, and it is vital that we are all allowed to debate how this affects our rights and how as a society we cope with these contradictions going forward.

It may very well be that we will look back on this debate in 30 years time and feel that we got things wrong or that we were worrying about the wrong things. But I think it is undoubtedly an important debate to have, and I also think that women who feel uncomfortable with how their rights might be affected by transgender issues should be allowed to express those fears.

So, does it follow, Pearlman, that we should get rid of all sex-segregation in the spirit of "being better than that" and to fight paranoia and hatred? Because if women have nothing to fear from men and transwomen then that should be the case, shouldn't it?

Hi all,

We are going to suspend this thread for a while so that we can carefully read through. While we hate to shut down debate - we will not allow transphobia.

I am quite happy for trans people to have their own facilities. Sorry, I don't want men in my intimate spaces.

I am very confident that no man anywhere where will try and abuse this and claim to be a woman when it means 20 years in a very dangerous male prison. Or that they can opt out of jail entirely since they are no longer men. and literally different people

never

Of course he should be in jail. Revolting specimen.

If there is obvious transphobia you should be able to see it when it is reported?

What I have an issue with is the spiteful, pointless denial of the 'status' of being female to someone who whole-heartedly believes they are one, or the expectation that they should accept being treated as male, when actually their actions and experiences are harmful to no-one

You are arguing that point on a thread about someone who has sexually abused children

Transwomen are not women no matter how many hormones and operations they have. A transwomen will not experience in life what I have and share with other women (female human adults).

And as for female only spaces I simply at times feel safer around women (fear of sexual assault, harassment and my dignity). I want to feel comfortable and safe I do not want my suspicions raised because that leads me to not feel safe or to feel uncomfortable/threatened and why don't I have the right to feel safe