To think this person should be in jail?

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/female-transsexual-walks-free-court-8546941

Anyone else not comfortable with this being counted as a crime committed by a woman? And really not comfortable with this person not going to jail? I don't care if there are no female specific classes, (there is a reason for that btw, because women don't do this shit) this person was male enough to commit the crime they are male enough to go to men's prison.

What are you gaining by denying these people a status (womanhood) that will make them feel better and not remove anything from you?

That is a status they will never have. They can't possibly feel female because they have no concept of what female feel like. They were raised with male privilege and nothing can change that.

I get that they feel "not male" but they can't possibly feel female because they don't know and cannot know what that is.

If they want to transition and it makes them feel better then I am very happy for them. I will use the pronoun they choose to be known by - as long as they have no penis, obviously.

The law can say what it likes, of course transwomen have rights but their rights stop when they begin to deny me mine as a woman. Then they can fuck right off.

They can be treated legally as female. You can't force others to believe that they are female.

In the case of a rape victim, I don't believe he or she should have to accept treatment from any particular person.

So if the only thing that woman has stipulated is that she wants a 'female' counsellor and rejects a transwoman purely on the basis that the transwoman is fairly obviously male, then that's just plain old discrimination in your book isnt it?

What do you think of trans athletes being able.to compete against born women?

I would say that transgender women are psychologically female and transgender men are psychologically male. One of my friends would be in tears reading this thread.

This thread reminds me a LOT of the kind of homophobic things people said when I was a kid in the bad old days of the 80s.

I honestly think some of you are already old-fashioned in your views, and that in 10 or 20 years, you'll see opinions like yours featured like antiques on those TV shows that look at how different society was in previous eras. A bit like how you see white supremacists of the 50s making arguments against desegregation and think 'How the hell did people even think that, let alone think it was OK to go on TV and voice it?'

Brandon: Except that I am prepared to accept expert opinion and the law. You want to deny both, with no basis for doing so.

pearlman the law and "expert opinion" in this case have given an unduly lenient sentence to a pedophile. Which you and others have agreed was inappropriate. Oh is it at all possible that sometimes the law gets it wrong especially when dealing with sexual assault?

No, Pearlman, the point I'm making is that I don't want the self-declaration of gender identity to become a legal possibility, as it has in Ireland. For me, this causes huge difficulties for hard-won rights for women. We already have an issue with women's prisons where there is discretion used if a transgender women doesn't have a GRC as in the Tara Hudson case. I don't want this to become enshrined in law. If it did, then anyone no matter how male-bodied and masculine could identify as female, and then legally access women-only spaces.

I'm sure many women are in tears reading the things trans people say about them.

And the concept of a gender identity is nothing like homosexuality - trotting out the 'ooh youre on the wrong side of history' cliche is just bollocks. Mutilating healthy bodies, drugging children, and telling mentally ill people they can change their sex is the wrong side of history.

Please don't compare this with homophobia.

There is no problem with two consenting adults of the same sex being attracted to each other and having sex. That doesnt have any effect on anyone else, no one else is affected by it.

Trying to redefine the concept of 'woman' so that it includes people who were born men does have an effect on other people in lots of ways.

It's amazing isn't it that Pearlman and all the other virtue signallers give so much thought to the feelings of trans women (ie men) but don't care about the feelings of women one iota. Old ladies needing intimate care, beauticians who receive a surprise flashing, rape and child abuse victims, no, they don't matter at all. They just need to get over their prejudices.

I gain the right to women only spaces, women only refuges, women only rape counsellors.

No penises in women only spaces. That's our right. We fought for it long enough and then a subset of men start telling us they want access to them. No.

Transwomen, fine. Bepenised women are taking the piss when they demand the same rights.

I really hope it is the wrong side of history, MrsBruce.

Agreed, venus. I wonder how they'd react if they were told that not wanting to have sex with a trans woman was bigotry - I imagine they'd change their tune pretty quickly (but that doesn't really matter at the moment, as it's only nasty oppressive lesbians who get told to do that.)

Speak: Of course not. The sex reassignment surgery does as much as it can, the law does the rest. What's the problem with this? Why the pedantic insistence on what you perceive to be and have experienced as being 'female' being the only definition of being 'female'? It comes across as prejudice, to be honest, and is a very ugly phenomenon indeed

Only to someone who doesn't understand the word.

Are black people racist for saying you have to be black to experience racism as a black person?

Seriously the mental contortions you have to make to try and accept this.

Just curious how many people on this thread announced their child's birth by saying

"J was born. 7 pounds 3 ounces. We don't know if ze identifies as Juliet or Jorge yet. We will keep an eye out for barbies or action men and let you know".

So as not to be a cisexist bigot.

So Gina's lawyer admitted that the abuse took place when Gina was not called Gina and happened to be going through a difficult time wtf Gina should be in prison (and not a women's prison)

Gina is not a women Gina is a transwomen, a man who feels they are a woman

Yes, Venus what it appears to boil down to is that the feelings of women don't matter. Same old story really.

Its like the 'cis' thing. People will emphatically declare that 'cis' is objectively not offensive, whilst at the same time berating someone for being offensive for using the incorrect pronoun to describe someone. A bit like how my opinions and concerns are being dismissed as nothing more than 'prejudice'.

One rule for one group and another rule for the rest it seems.

Bathsheba couldn't we say that transgender women have more psychological traits considered feminine than those considered masculine, and transgender men have more psychological traits considered masculine than feminine? That allows for those traits not to be innate to men or women, ifyswim.

Why the pedantic insistence on what you perceive to be and have experienced as being 'female' being the only definition of being 'female'? It comes across as prejudice, to be honest, and is a very ugly phenomenon indeed.

Yes, Brandon.. you (having lived a as woman and accepted the definition as it has always been defined) are a bigot. If someone with a penis says otherwise you can then change the definition. Even if they have never lived as a woman, their definition is the correct one. And they are also not a bigot for saying that their definition is the correct one.
Makes sense right?

Like being biologically female is real to actual biological females? Or don't we count? We're just some sort of identity that any man can put on.