To think this person should be in jail?

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/female-transsexual-walks-free-court-8546941

Anyone else not comfortable with this being counted as a crime committed by a woman? And really not comfortable with this person not going to jail? I don't care if there are no female specific classes, (there is a reason for that btw, because women don't do this shit) this person was male enough to commit the crime they are male enough to go to men's prison.

Absence of a penis does not make someone female

This person has undergone a sex change operation. I therefore presume that the accused now has a vagina. Are you saying this does not make them physically female?

Apologies for the double post. Not sure what happened there.

Of course having a 'vagina' doesn't make them physically female - it's not a vagina. Do you think that people who have silicon horns implanted into their foreheads suddenly become rhinos?

The accused (probably) has something surgically created approximating a vagina. Whether it constitutes a vagina or makes the person "female" (whatever that is worth in today's vague terminology) is entirely a matter of opinion. You do realise that there is no reproductive system attached?

So it is prejudice. It emanates from your feelings of being hard done to. That's so petty I can't believe you are actually prepared to admit to it.

Yep. Being pissed off with thousands of years of rape, sexual assault, impression and being treated as less of a human because of biology is being 'petty' and feeling 'hard done to'.

I can't believe you are prepared to admit to being such a misogynist.

That should of course say opression.

But they don't have a vagina, they have something that outwardly mimics a vagina. It doesn't make them female, it makes them appear/present as female and gives them the possibility of functioning sexually using it.

Pearlman how do you feel about transgender athletes participating in women's sports when they are at a physical advantage?

It harms no one and I can't see for the life of me why people take it so personally.

Back to hard of thinking again. Unsurprisingly. To quote you (more or less) from earlier "just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it isn't real".

I'm not sure whether anyone is saying they should be denied the operation.

More that it's a complex issue and that although they feel they need to live their life as society's stereotype of what a female should be. Biologically you cannot completely change the sex you were born and with this there comes other issues.

Goodness. I'm contradicting qualified professionals. Oh well, I must be wrong that I don't want to accept men into female spaces and let them shit all over women's rights without question.

You are prepared to deny basic, humane medical and legal treatment to a group of people because you feel they haven't suffered enough, but that somehow makes me a woman hater? So confused.

Where on earth have I said that i want to deny basic humane and medical treatment because they haven't suffered enough? Do no put words into my mouth.

If a man wants to dress in what are traditionally seen as women's clothes, have surgery to get breasts and remove his penis, wear makeup and drink Archers and Lemonade in the pub then good luck to them. In fact i would think it was great that they were able to express themselves in the way they wish without the worry that they are not 'manly' enough.

The problem comes when a group of people want their rights to trump everyone else's. Can you not see that?

You still havent answered my question about the rape victim and the 'female counsellor'?

I don't think anyone is suggesting that people shouldn't transition surgically, if medically that is considered the best current treatment. I would absolutely support anyone who is in that situation to have whatever treatment is recommended for them.

What I object to is the muddying of sex and gender, and how this affects women as a result. Various services and situations are segregated by sex, for very valid reasons. I don't think that these services and situations should be segregated by gender identity where no treatment or surgery is required for that identity to be accepted as legal fact.

What are you gaining by denying these people a status (womanhood) that will make them feel better and not remove anything from you?

Ah yes, how dare anyone suggest that men are not entitled to 'womanhood' so that they can feel better. Honestly pearlman you really are something else!

It comes down to what speak and Brandon are saying.

Transgender women have the right to live as they wish, but there comes a line where I don't believe that their rights should trump women's rights.

There have been some examples given such as a rape counsellor.

No we can't work round them, Pearlman. There is no give and take being proposed. Women are expected to just STFU about any concerns they have for the same inane reasons you are spouting.