To ask if you're NOT vaccinating against Meningitis B what are your reasons?

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Non judgey.

Ours is simply cost - we have twins and can't afford it .

bumbley thank you.... But I don't understand the table

Does the table suggest that 12 months after the last dose , only 36% of children aged 2-10 had sufficient antibodies ?

It doesn't show the persistence of antibodies after 12 months for the 2-10 year old group - just the 13/15 month old group. Sorry - the info is probably more use for people with younger children.

So then why is the NHS even bothering to vaccinate this age group?

Cost too. She's 3.5 and we couldn't afford it when she was a baby and we can't afford it now.

The NHS basically wouldn't waste their money would they? So I'm sorry Bumbley but I don't believe what you've linked to. Also, everyone else, be careful of believing the stuff Bumbley comes out with. Every vax post I'[ve read she's been all over it with negativity. She pretends she's not an anti vaxxer (probably in an attempt to give credibility to her advice) but actually is if you read between the lines, especially on this post: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/vaccinations/2141749-Declining-8-week-vaccinations-for-my-baby-experiences?pg=8 Been all over these posts for years and not really sure why someone would dedicate so much time to spreading doubt?!

I think do your research and make a decision based on it is the best thing to do. My 17 yr old has had all her vaccinations with no adverse effects.
I do believe there can be children who cannot be vaccinated because of underlying health conditions etc and hopefully these children will be fine. Anything we do carries an element of risk but you know you can have a flu jab and have an adverse reaction. I suffered severe anaphylactic shock from anti biotics even though I'd had them several times before.
Anyway I digress, do a bit of research and make up your mind for your own child. Good Luck.

P.S. not too much fesearch otherwise you'll be chasing your tail and getting confused.

reasearch, whoever heard of fesearch. Clearly I cannot spell but just blame my phone

As an aside, from July 1st Men C is no longer part of routine immunisations at 12 weeks. A dose is given at 1 year, as the men b vaccine is though to offer some immunity against men c also.

Haven't looked into it, not very interested, hysterical MNers have put me off the idea, life is full of risks, it costs money & hassle, I can handle a life full of risks.

Actually, we jumped thru some hoops to get my 16yo routine Men. jabs this last yr. I'd encourage DC if someone makes MenB easy, but not worrying about it otherwise.

Completely agree

PinkFluff - bothering to vaccinate which age group? The 2-10s? The government aren't currently vaccinating that group.

Just to be clear - you're saying that you don't believe the manufacturer's info on Bexsero that I linked to? Fair enough. If that's the case, I'm not sure what sources you would believe though. On this thread I've linked to the green book, the vaccine information leaflet for Bexsero, the JCVI position statement and one of the papers on persistence of antibodies. Perhaps you can clarify which of those you consider to be 'anti-vax' or 'spreading doubt'? AFAIAC they are reliable sources of information and a good place to go if you have questions about the vaccines.

Oh God, I'm not arguing with you! I have an 8 week old baby & I've seen you argue to the death, I simply don't have the time! Just warning other posters to exercise caution when reading any of your advice as you nearly got me in a few posts when I was doing my own research.You're VERY good, I'll give you that. I'm just not bored enough, I'd rather spend my time enjoying my beautiful baby girl than arguing with an anti vaxxer disguised as someone who is trying to help/offer impartial advice. You have a nice evening now :)

"Also, everyone else, be careful of believing the stuff Bumbley comes out with. Every vax post I'[ve read she's been all over it with negativity."

So all of you stick your fingers in your ears or your eyes and ignore, because that is how PinkFluff recommends one has a discussion.

Gran thought I was doing the twist but I swear I was doing the Macarena

So all of you stick your fingers in your ears or your eyes and ignore, because that is how PinkFluff recommends one has a discussion"

No. But don't pretend to be what you're not. If you have an agenda- then be open about it. Don't be a slithery, slimy, soapy snake.

Thanks for the reminder OP - I've just booked an appointment for my 2 year old for next week.

Pink Fluff - you're telling them to exercise caution when reading links to reliable documents such as info from the manufacturers of the vaccine, the JCVI and the government (green paper). That seems a bit strange to me.

Seeing as you've obviously been on other threads with me where I have suggested that people should check which travel vaccines they need/suggested that women who are not immune to CP get the CP vaccine and suggested that the single measles vaccines should have been kept available when there was concern about the MMR to keep up immunity levels (to name a few) you seem to have a very strange definition of an 'anti-vaxxer'. It seems that anyone on MN who decides to look into vaccines(using reliable sources)/delays certain vaccines/selectively vaccinates/uses an alternative schedule to that on the NHS gets accused of being 'anti-vax'. It's a strange old place at times.

Enjoy your baby snuggles :)

I for one really appreciate bumbleymummy 's links as they come across to me as impartial

They are impartial, Dream. I think Pink's issue is that I'm the one who linked to them and she (falsely) considers me to be 'anti-vax' so therefore the links are 'tainted'.

I've been trying to find other papers showing persistence of MenB antibodies in older children. I've found this which is looking at antibody levels in 5 year olds after they were given the vaccine at 3.5 so still younger than your children. I'll keep looking...

What vaccinations have your kids had Bumbley?!

Somerville i've no idea if she was/is allergic, because as i'm not a GP i wa totally unaware that that kind of testing existed. all i know is after her first round of jabs made her quite ill (very high temp, 2 day hospital stay with febrile convulsions and bradycardia) i was told it was a one off and to go ahead with her next dose, which i did, and she then ended up in a medically induced coma as her brain started to swell. at this point i decided she wasn't having any more vaccines.
when her brother was born and also ended up in hospital for the night after his first dose, i decided that my children were having no more vaccines. my GP agreed with me, and that was that.

I were you I would be demanding a referral from your GP to a specialist as quickly as possible. You need to know what caused it and rule in or out an allergy and if so know what specific substance is the problem; and rule in or out a suppressed immune system and if so get the underlying cause of that treated.

I understand you being scared of getting your other children immunised without any knowledge of what happened to your daughter. But frankly, a combination of herd immunity and close family getting immunised and not bringing home infectious diseases are what keep the tiny amount of children who can't have vaccinations due to another condition, safe and well.

Once you know what was the issue with DD your other children will be able to be examined for the same condition and you'll know whether they can have immunisations or not.

Oh and someone else I know who suspected a vaccine allergy (turned out not to be- they worked out in the end that her DS had contracted flu around the same time as his jab, and the flu symptoms had been blamed on the vaccination.) kept being fobbed off with her GP not knowing where to refer her DS.
I asked my GP friend and he said that this helpline informs patients of their nearest NHS allergy service, which they can then ask for a referral to from their GP. www.allergyuk.org/getting-help/allergy-uk-helpline

There's no test for allergic reactions to vaccines. We've asked in all places. The best you get offered is to have the jabs in a hospital setting in case of anaphylaxis. No use for toxic reactions though.