To ask if you're NOT vaccinating against Meningitis B what are your reasons?

[DreamCloud99]

Non judgey.

Ours is simply cost - we have twins and can't afford it .

[Fourfifthsof]

Gertrude of course I am not for one minute suggesting that you set up your own trial with volunteer babies. I merely questioned why you are casting aspersions on the capability of GPs because they are researching on the internet when you freely admit to doing it yourself.

I have not questioned your decision not to give the Men B vaccination to your child so there is really no need to be so defensive.

[GertrudeMoo]

Ugh.

[bumbleymummy]

Gertrude, I understood the point you were making and I think most GPs would agree with you tbh. (I know my GP friends would!) They don't have the time to read up in detail on every vaccine and drug they prescribe. There's nothing wrong with people reading about things themselves as long as they're getting their info from reliable sources. How can people make informed decisions otherwise?

[PortiaCastis]

Surely all this hoo hah is unnecessary. If your child's GP has advised against this jab then take his advice. If your child has no apparent allergies go ahead if you can afford it.
Menigitis can kill or maim. As I posted upthread do some research and make a decision on what's suitable for YOUR child. Bun fights on here won't help anyone. Neither will armchair experts.

[Charlieismydarlin]

I generally find GPs to be exactly that - very "general". I usually know more than they do about a condition affecting me/my family.

The internet is amazing. Why mock it?

As an example. One of my children was born with a heart condition which successive medical professionals misses in her early days. As her mother, I knew something wasn't right, researched and headed straight for A and E, by which point her condition had deteriorated and she needed oxygen. Thanks Internet forums on new babies.

Or my other child - severe silent reflux. My GP denied it even existed. The other GP knew it did but was clueless. I researched and realised it was a blinking dairy allergy. She screamed literally 24/7 for weeks and the entire family was in crisis but our GPs were utterly useless.

The Internet has quite literally saved my life!

I'm a cautious vaccinater - I am pro-vaccine. Have a read up on vaccine damage on the Internet. And then don't mock those that question ok?

[Fortybingowings]

The drug companies that make infant gaviscon, ranitidine and omeprazole must be rubbing their hands with glee at the current reflux epidemic!

[BertrandRussell]

"The drug companies that make infant gaviscon, ranitidine and omeprazole must be rubbing their hands with glee at the current reflux epidemic!"

Yep. And a massive bonus to the person that thought up "silent reflux" - that way they can sell a "cure" to every desperate parent with a baby that cries.

[Charlieismydarlin]

bertrand yeah, and if you think silent reflux doesn't exist you are a twat.

I have had colic in a baby. And I have had silent reflux. It's not actually silent. But it is utterly horrendous.

I'm an experienced mother who dealt with a baby who slept no longer than an hour for 6 months, lived in her car seat or a sling (and this caused delays as she simply couldn't lie down) who nearly broke the family. Colic is crying in the evenings. Silent reflux quite literally means every waking hour.

These medicines you quote are largely useless unless you sort out the cause. (Especially infant gaviscon). The internet saved my marriage and my sanity.

So fuck off with your scorn of silent reflux as you know fuck all.

[Charlieismydarlin]

And to anyone reading this - you need not buy any "cure". There are some wonderful Facebook pages if anyone needs support.

[Fourfifthsof]

Now come on charlie - we all know that research is only valid if it backs up some BIG PHARMA conspiracy theory.

[Fortybingowings]

These symptoms are not new, often improving at weaning. Modern advice had been to wean very late (6 months) so this takes a log time. In the interim, drug companies making £££ out of desperate parents seeking some sort of diagnosis. Usually reflux or CMPI. The makers of the formula milks for CMPI are doing quite well out if it too.
Anyway- this is off topic.

[BertrandRussell]

bertrand yeah, and if you think silent reflux doesn't exist you are a twat.

I'm sure something exists. However I am also sure that for many people it is a medicalized term for "being a baby" . I do know that the group most benefitting from people thinking that "being a baby" is something that needs to be medicalized are......Big Pharma.

[Bearfrills]

Currently pregnant, taking omeprazole and gaviscon for reflux (not to mention cyclizine for hyperemisis). Reflux most certainly does exist and the medications most certainly do help. Why would anyone deny them to a baby who needed them on the basis that they're made up by Big Pharma in order to make money!? It's not that silent reflux and CMPI are suddenly more common, it's that we're better at recognising the symptoms for what they are whereas in days gone by the symptoms would be dismissed as "fussy baby" or "failure to thrive".

[KJJDMB]

one of my children suffered from febrile convulsions but outgrew it at 5. Never had a problem with any of his vaccinations, but more when he had tonsillitis etc.. Respect you've made the decision you have for your reasons, but my 6,4 and 3 year olds are booked in next week at the advice of my dad (doctor) who is paying for all his grandchildren to have it done

[3luckystars]

My kids have had all their vaccines, I just wanted to open with that before anyone thinks I am opposed to them!
. However I do worry about new vaccines that nobody knows about the long term effects. Does anyone else feel the same thing or have I watched "I am legend " and taken it to heart too much!

I will still probably get this vaccine though, as soon as I can afford it.

[3luckystars]

Also I am an idiot with no medical training and am pro vaccines, I have done no research on this vaccine whatsoever, I am just asking does anyone else worry about the long term with the new vaccinations that's all. Before anyone beats me up!!

[BenguinsMummy]

Because my son is undergoing chemo... Once his treatment ends and he gets re-vaccinated, then I'll get everything he can have done...

Short note to the Antivaxxer up thread, the fact my son cannot be vaccinated against serious diseases and infections means that I and others like him rely on community immunity provided by parents that DO vaccinate...

[OneEpisode]

Community immunity is a much nicer expression. Thank you for sharing and best wishes for the chemo..

[Sunshineonacloudyday]

If a vaccine is not offered to children after a certain age why would you go out of your way to get it done. I have not been offered the men b vaccine for my 16m old. I am not going to panic and put pressure on the services. They could put anything in it and tell you it will do the job. I think people are worrying for nothing there is a good reason why they offer it to babies up to a certain age. Schools used to give the BCG jab they don't anymore but the risk is still there.

[bruffin]

Zoobeedoo

My family have GEFS+ my mum and sister and probably my grandmother had febrile up until the age of at least 10. My DS is 20 and had over 20 convulsions up until 13 and even dd had 4 febrile convulsions in a year.
Back in the 60/70s my sister and I were told not to have measles vaccine in the catch up, however DS had his first fb convulsion at 15 months and have never been told not to have the vaccine, although they said they would do them in hospital setting if we wanted for his vaccines after that. He never had a bad reaction to a vaccine even though he had 3 febrile convulsions in one day due to food poisoning and 2 fc in a day just from a ear infection.Nobody in my family has ever had problems with vaccines despite so many having such a bad history of frebrile convulsions.

Dravets is part of the GEFS+ syndrome and in the past had been mistaken for vaccine injury.

[bruffin]

If you think about it, a febrile convulsion is usually the first sign the child is ill.
If a vaccine will bring on a febrile convulsion then the illness itself usually brings on worse fevers and just as likely to cause a febrile convulsion.
My ds has had a febrile convulsions at school, in the toilets at Macdonalds (scared another customer ) and ds ended up with head injury from banging his head on the tiled wall then catching his eye on the toilet as he fell and a cracked tooth.
The one he had when he was 13 cut the back of his head and managed to smash his nose at the same time. Surely it is better to know that the vaccine might cause a fever in the next few days and keep an extra eye on him than the chance of him having a febrile convulsion out of the blue as it is normally the first sign he is ill. He had his MEN ACW last year before he went to uni and he had a headache but that was it.

[BertrandRussell]

"They could put anything in it and tell you it will do the job."

Huh??????

[Sunshineonacloudyday]

If you pay for it at a private clinic and people are panicking for the vaccine and we are in difficult times now.

[3luckystars]

Sunshineonacloudyday, I would usually agree with your point, but I am thinking about the group b strep test, I think it should be offered to all pregnant women but it isn't because of the cost, so sometimes vaccine schedules are made with costs in mind. I wouldn't let that stop me getting the vaccine.

[Sunshineonacloudyday]

I was thinking about getting it done and paying for it privately I was told not to. I wouldn't risk it unless its being given by a NHS nurse all the checks would have been done.