To wonder what the fuck is happening at the moment

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Seriously, terror attacks, shootings, stabbing (8, 12, 14 yr old and their mum) in France and that is just the last few days.
I'm starting to wonder about a world that I have bought my daughter into and It's getting worse

Still a massive generalisation.
The most mysoginist person I've met was a female Asian Buddhist.

Cleo sexual harassment is sexual harassment regardless of who is doing it. It's no 'better' or 'worse' based on who does it. Unless you're xenophobic.

Namibia.Burundi. Cameroon. Zambia. Ethiopa.
Just for the benefit of Hope. There are quite a few more. Including places like the Cook Islands, whose peoples have New Zealand citizenship.

White gangs have been prosecuted too, Cleo. Shove your prejudices elsewhere and look at facts.

And whilst you're at it, Cleo, do you remember the paedophile reports from a couple of years back, Jimmy Saville, a rich white man. Rolf Harris, a rich white man, David Hamilton, a rich...
Get the picture?

TRIGGERING!
Not a muslim in sight.

I feel far away and somewhat isolated from the awful events in Europe as I currently live in Seattle. Yet, even here for the first and only time in my entire life (and I'm in my late thirties) I was recently told I told I looked inappropriate in public for wearing running shorts.

I live in downtown seattle and my neighbourhood has a very diverse mix of tech workers, business people, homeless and low income housing, housing for women and children (women who have been victims of domestic abuse) and some sober living housing. I like where I live and have never had a problem until a month ago when I stopped to sit on a park bench after finishing a run. A little boy ran up to me and (his english wasn't very good, I'd guess he was sudanese since there is a sizable sudanese community here). The boy kept saying "I was too big for little things" which made no sense to me until I looked around to see his mother glaring at me. She was covered from head to toe and wore a hijab, totally fine of course but as she stood there scowling at me I finally realised that she had sent her child over to tell me off for wearing shorts! Never had anything like this happen to me and I was too surprised to say anything. I think I just laughed and walked away but I've felt increasingly unhappy about it ever since. I have to say when I read about the attack on the girls and mother in France it immediately brought back that incident to me. Mine was harmless if depressing but it's all degrees of intolerance isn't it? I would never dream of telling a stranger off for what they are wearing and I don't agree with bans on veils like exists in France but I'm not convinced that multiculturalism works tbh. Tolerance is a two way street, it doesn't work if only one side practices it :(

Jamaica is a Christian country and a very bad place to be gay.

Cleo
So if the Muslim bloke wolf whistled your daughter that would be OK?

No-one wolf-whistling my 12-year-old would be okay, Muslim or not, but I'd rather a wolf whistle from anyone than the glaring and muttering from the Muslims. It's never just one Muslim bloke, btw, it's always two or three and they are always wearing Muslim dress. She has never had anything like this from Muslims dressed in normal European clothing.

The wolf whistling and the muttering are manifestations of the same thought process. Both of them are driven by the belief that men have a right to assess and judge a woman's appearance. I find them both equally offensive because both actions are predicated on the idea that men have a right to make public assessments of how a woman matches some external appearance criteria.

Cleo - you know the sad part of that incident. The fact that I haven't felt comfortable mentioning it to anyone else it except my dh (and now mumsnet!). I think I'm afraid of sounding bigoted which doesn't even make sense but it's almost like worrying that I'll be seen as being intolerant of the women's intolerance of me! Crazy I know...

You are kidding?
Savile was part of a frickin' RING!

Of course there are white paedophile rings!

Yes, there are white paedophile rings. The point I was making is that muslim paedophiles target only white girls.

Chazs I don't find wolf whistling particularly offensive - although it is clearly not appropriate to wolf whistle very young girls. A wolf whistle is generally a sign of approval - "you look great" - and it's highly unlikely that any of the guys on the building site are threatening anyone.

The nasty mutterings, glares and disapproval of certain muslims is something completely different. It's disapproval and condemnation.

I'm really surprised you can't appreciate the difference.

To be honest, it's a shame these so-called feminists who are moaning about wolf whistles don't put their energy into getting prosecutions for FGM.

A wolf whistle is generally a sign of approval - "you look great"
erm, no, it means you meet my approval and you need it to be out on the street, however, if you were my wife, daughter or mother I would not allow this to be happening because I actually think that all women are sluts unless they fulfil the above mentioned roles.
Oh, and the 'so called feminists' are putting their energies into prosecutions and all sorts of other things. We can, believe it or not, multi-task.

As for your point on paedophile rings, do you want to perhaps discuss the Catholic church, after all, it's one of the largest. They tend to target white boys, but not always, just generally.

How embarassing to trot out 'so-called feminists', 'wolf whistles are a compliment' and 'focus on FGM' all in the same sentence.

You're like a walking cliché of clichés. Even my 14 year old daughter and her friends understand about being able to focus on the smaller issues AND the bigger issues at the same time. She also understands that wolf-whistling is not a compliment. But I'm not getting into that with someone who wants to spend her time being a big fat racist.

lilac

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So sorry if this has already been mentioned (I haven't got time to read through whole thread), but I just read this saying that (apparently) the girls and mother were not stabbed because of how they were dressed:

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/alps-stabbing-family-latest-not-stabbed-for-being-scantily-dressed-prosecutor-says-a7144711.html%3famp?client=safari#