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To want dp to return to work part time when we could cope on my salary alone

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Nanunanu · 18/07/2016 19:33

Background. We are a same sex couple. Together 15 years. We have our first ds who is 9 months old. We have very disparate earnings. I am second parent and dp took maternity leave.

We are now looking at time for dp to return to work. Dp works in my offices as I found her a job. She was unemployed for 6 months and not looking that hard (had signed up for two agencies but not chasing it). I didn't push her looking as she was unemployed because we had moved for my work and my pay rise meant we could afford it. But then a job came up at my place. I put her name forward and she got it. So it is not fair to say I got her the job, just facilitated it.

She does not enjoy the job. But not enough to have even looked for another let alone applied elsewhere.

I work 4 long days a week. She used to work 5. Plan was for her to return to work 2 days part time one day covered by me. The other by my mum and dad. I was really looking forward to one day a week just me and ds.

She doesn't want to go back to work. Makes a sop towards it. But whenever anyone asks about it she says 'oh it's not decided yet' or 'I've got to talk to my manager'.

We talked through my reasons for wanting her to return to work. It gives her independent money. It is a fallback should I die. It reduces pressure on me from being the only earner. I want that day being a 'real mum.' It will be easier to go now and increase hours as ds goes to school than it will to find a brand new job in 4 years. Especially if she shows the same lack of interest in looking for a job then as before. But they are all quite selfish reasons I recognise. Some of it is the feminist in me wanting ds to see working parents. Some of it is jealousy that she has had this time with ds. And no matter how hard I try I am a second parent. Not the real deal.

I do my best to share chores and childcare. Ds is breast fed. So bulk of night feeds etc fell her way. And ds is reliant on breast or sling to sleep. So I have cooked every dinner for the past 9 months except two. One tonight and one last month when I knew we had no food and brought home chips. D'oh! I even cook from scratch after I get home at 9 pm and have to be at work for 8 the next morning. A meal plan has meant she at least, mostly, lifts stuff out of freezer if I ask her to now.

I do not do enough of the washing
I accept that. I share cleaning bathrooms. I do most of it she does some. I do cat litter and picking up dog poo from garden. We have an erratic gardener to mow lawns. I do it on weeks he hasn't come due to rain. Bin is emptied by whoever wants to put more in it when it is full. She feeds pets in morning. I do in evening. She does 90%of hoovering. I do not tidy up well enough after cooking and am trying to improve. I do bath and stories 3 or 4 nights a week.

Aibu to want her to return to work part time after 1 year mat leave 6m unpaid and only family income being my salary. No child benefit as I earn just over the threshold.

There are other bits that make me think I'm jealous. We went to doctors last week with ds and dr asked who was in the room. Dp said [ds] and I'm[x] his mum. And this is nanunanu his sort of mum too.

That sort of mum phrase really cut to the bone. And I'm sure she didn't mean it how I took it. But oh it hurt so so much.

There is, obviously, lots of layers. Nothing is as simple as 'aibu to want dp to work 2 days a week when we could afford (with a bit of belt tightening) for her never to work again'. There's a whole lot of emotion with it.

And I know she feels hard done by because night wakening are still entirely hers to do. I sleep through. I could do more around the house. And she has said before that she is 'fed up of being the bad guy' when I have told her other things she has said that I find hurtful but expresses her unhappiness like talking about baby number 2 and if I try to carry this time she said 'do you think you could do it? Not getting pregnant I mean all the rest of it....' I said that was mean. I'm trying my hardest. She said she didn't mean it like that. I said well how do you mean it. She said 'oh I don't know. I'm fed up of always being the bad guy. Having to watch what I say because you'll take it wrong'. So I've not mentioned the 'sort of mum too' comment from last week because it upsets me too much.

Aaargh. Sorry this post is so long. Just trying to avoid drip feeding.

OP posts:
whois · 19/07/2016 21:45

A net £7k contribution to the finances would pay for some really bloody nice holidays... £7k a year isn't insignificant by any stretch.

ExtraHotLatteToGo · 20/07/2016 00:02

You can't turn the clock back. It'll never be how it was. Having a child has changed both of you and you've seen parts of DP you don't like very much (even if you're not prepared to admit that right now). You need to deal with 'what is' not 'what was'. That's a really harsh reality.

You are shoving your anger & your hurt down as far as you can to maintain the status quo. It's no solution.

Defending her to us, doesn't change how she's acting or how hurtful & self centred she is.

The easiest person to fool is our self. We can make ourselves believe a whole lot of nonsense if it's what we need to hear 🙁

Your jealousy, anger & resentment will build & explode if you don't face it now.

If you 'let' her be the only SAHP, if you 'let' her rely on you financially, if you 'let' her be 'main parent', if you 'let' he be 'the boss' you are losing your position in DS's life and that's not fair & IF you do split, you are going to be in a much worse situation wrt getting 50:50 shared care.

...and of course, £7k a year is a good amount of savings towards time off work for you to carry a child.

Are you really prepared not to be the birth mother of any of your children? Because this is the path you are casually strolling up.

madgingermunchkin · 20/07/2016 00:32

Well to be honest some women find their 'work drive' wanes after having a baby

She didn't have one before the baby, the lazy cow.

OP, you deserve to be happy too. The longer this goes on, the more miserable and downtrodden you will become. Your "D"W knows that you will bend over backwards to do whatever she wants because you are too scared to lose her, and she's using it as a power trip. Sulking because she has to go and talk to her manager about her maternity leave? That's childish. It honestly looks like she sees you as a meal ticket. Most SAHP do the majority of the housework. She doesn't even do that. I suggest counselling by yourself right now.

Yes, life with a small child is bloody hard. But most couples face it as a team and work through it together. Right now, it's her and "her" son (because that's how she see it; that "sort of" mum comment made that quite clear!) and you, the pay cheque/cook/cleaner/general dogsbody there to facilitate her nice cushy life.

JacquettaWoodville · 20/07/2016 08:08

If your DP earned £7k and you salary sacrificed what you earn over the child benefit threshold into a pension, you and she could get child benefit, which is worth c£2,300 a year, I think.

Please don't dismiss it as a meaningless amount. It also might be possible for her to work extra days during your maternity leave in future then.

RhiWrites · 20/07/2016 08:39

Make a list of the things you want to have.

More time with your DS
More chances to be the parent
Less cooking the dinner

Then present the list to your DP. Tell her you know she doesn't want to go back to work and these are the things you want. Is there anyway to get what you both want.
Eg if she stayed home could she start cooking dinner every other night while you play with DS.

MunchCrunch01 · 20/07/2016 09:37

i don't even understand why you're entertaining the idea that a SAHP is needed or desirable when you work 4 days, DW can work 3 days, and you have GP willing to do one day a week. This seems absolutely optimal to me for DS. I'd object exactly on that basis that her being a SAHP has more negatives than positives in your setup: all financial pressure on you, loss of earning potential for her, the fact that you don't think she'll adjust her lifestyle expectations to match your budget happily, less time with other committed and close family including a parent, not to mention the elephant in the room of your custody deal if you split.

I think the SAHP role in this situation could well lead to overall worse quality care for your DS to have 1 tired parent doing the bulk of it - it's not as though you are both faced with long hours full time jobs and no family help (oh wait, that's me!).

MunchCrunch01 · 20/07/2016 09:43

I agree with Pearlman though, if you're really not bothered about the working aspect [you should at least be very clear that there should be no resulting pressure for you to earn more and that this is lifestyle limiting], make the main campaign around the earmarked time with your DS that is your main concern.. What about the GP's ear-marked time? My DC hardly see theirs but they adore them, that's also a special relationship that needs regular time to grow.

SharonfromEON · 20/07/2016 10:07

Reading the last 2 comments..

You come across as very unhappy...You are scared to lose DS but also prepared to support the two of them to make them happy..Do all the cooking and most the cleaning but you are not enjoying because you are not involved..

You sound like you are moving into the old fashioned bread winner role and won't know your kids because mum does everything.

You do need more equality in this relationship. You need more time with your DS..You need to be looked after too.. She should work because it will bring more balance. you should share the cooking But I would suggest the one who has been at work doesn't cook...Maybe till she goes back to work you cook at weekends..

You need to find time to sit down and discuss how you can both be happy..

You will have both changed and no going back because there is a little one involved..

dowhatnow · 20/07/2016 15:23

At the very least if you agree to her becoming a SAHM then she must agree to take on the majority of the cooking and housework in exchange.

Kr1stina · 20/07/2016 16:36

At the very least if you agree to her becoming a SAHM then she must agree to take on the majority of the cooking and housework in exchange

I disagree . OP only works 4 days a week. Childcare and housework , cooking etc is 7 days a week . That's not fair - they should have equal leisure time .

Felascloak · 20/07/2016 18:23

That's what dowhat means I think. At the moment it sounds like OP has less leisure time than her partner as she is trying to do 50% of housework plus work while partner is SAHM.

dowhatnow · 20/07/2016 18:43

Exactly Felas
She may only be doing 4 days but they are really long days and then she comes home and cooks, and sorts the baby out. Then she does the washing, housework on top. D'oh! I even cook from scratch after I get home at 9 pm and have to be at work for 8 the next morning.

It's not just equal leisure time needed though. A lot of the chores can be done with the baby during the day, thus giving them both more leisure time or time with the baby. It sounds as if the DP does nothing except look after the baby during the day. That's not fair if the op then does the majority of other stuff in her free time.

RandomMess · 20/07/2016 19:03

Looking after the baby counts as a "chore" and I think what the op needs is an awful lot more of looking after the baby as her chore whilst her partner relinquishes some babycare chores for other domestic chores.

We all have our preferred "chores" and it is unfair that one partner cherry pick what they do 100% of the time especially at the detriment to the other parent having the opportunity to build a closer relationship with their child.

I think a parent at home all day should have preparing the main evening meal as a priority, it is ridiculous!!! I hope the partner does achieve more than just look after a 9 month old all day??? One of mine was incredibly demanding and it was tough but you just get on and prioritise.

Make breakfast & lunch, clear up kitchen, prepare tea, get a load of washing out or in, hoover up. That is the bare minimum that should be achieved... I did know a few SAHP that couldn't achieve any of that as it would have interfered with their social life too much Hmm

RichardBucket · 20/07/2016 19:19

This thread has made me so sad. You sound wonderful OP, but please don't forget what a pp said - you matter too. Flowers

Nanunanu · 20/07/2016 21:26

Thank you all for things to think about.

I was being somewhat dogmatic in my stance and as implied in my later posts decided we could manage financially and I could look for other ways to increase my time with ds. And then I started to convince myself that it could even be better for us. There would be no worry about childcare in school holidays. No need to juggle two rotas to get a holiday together. No need to worry about putting too much on one set of grandparents whilst excluding the other. And other chores can be more evenly split as a separate discussion.

So I told dp I would support her choice if she decided not to return to work. I apologised for being patronising in my worry that she would never return to work. She accepted my apology and said she didn't want to be a sponger (which I hope I never implied she was). She was just struggling with the idea of leaving ds. And she thought she was being selfish. And she didn't want to get her way through stripping and end up being resented. And I explained I didn't want her to resent me. And we actually talked. There is still more talking and healing to do.

It totally took the wind out of her sulk. And opened us up to a more adult discussion.

She went to see manager today. And upshot is that she will go back 1.5 days a week. And I will get my day with ds just the two of us. And gp will have him the half day. And if it doesn't work out we can revisit.

I've also had chance to have a good talk and cry with my mum. Which is why I had turned to strangers on the Internet. I felt a pressure to pretend our relationship was perfect as I didn't want to show cracks to the outside world. Even or perhaps especially my mum. She had wanted me to carry a baby right from the off. Worried what would happen if dp did. And I was trying desperately not to turn into my dad!

So I will continue doing my 52 hours at work and then work from home (some of you have strange definitions of part time work.....) and we will each get more of an idea of each other's lives. Dp will see how hard it is to leave them every day. And I'll stop having a vision of a sahp's day and actually get a chance to be a mama. Just me and ds. Dp will have some of her own income. We can save some of the money and spend some of it on a cleaner.

Hopefully it will work out

Thank you for not being overly aggressive and forceful. I know the aibu board can get a bit tooth baring and I appreciate the discussion from all of you.

OP posts:
whois · 20/07/2016 21:36

Great first steps. Keep plugging away at the open communication. Really hope things improve for you.

MunchCrunch01 · 20/07/2016 21:38

Sounds good to me op! Glad to hear a very positive update, great news

KindDogsTail · 20/07/2016 22:03

It seems really good that you were both able to talk to each other and find a compromise. I think she will be glad of the job, and it will help her not lose confidence. It is lovely you will have that time with your child.

Felascloak · 20/07/2016 22:24

Well done nanu. I am so happy you sorted something that works for both of you.

JapaneseSlipper · 20/07/2016 23:16

Excellent news! So happy to hear it.

Wandastartup · 20/07/2016 23:31

A cheering up date! Glad you managed to talk, it's really hard with young children when tired and busy at work not to end up in a cycle of competitive tiredness and who is the busiest & forget why you liked/ loved each other in the first place. We have found it useful to have a night out, do something nice together or have a night away(+- children) every now & then to try to remember. Hope you can too.

SharonfromEON · 20/07/2016 23:33

Sounds really positive...Glad you both have managed to move foreward..

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 21/07/2016 09:00

Wonderful to read your update OP.

HermioneWeasley · 21/07/2016 19:39

Great news, what a welcome change!

LowAMH · 21/07/2016 20:26

Good luck Nanu, sounds like a good resolution

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