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To want dp to return to work part time when we could cope on my salary alone

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Nanunanu · 18/07/2016 19:33

Background. We are a same sex couple. Together 15 years. We have our first ds who is 9 months old. We have very disparate earnings. I am second parent and dp took maternity leave.

We are now looking at time for dp to return to work. Dp works in my offices as I found her a job. She was unemployed for 6 months and not looking that hard (had signed up for two agencies but not chasing it). I didn't push her looking as she was unemployed because we had moved for my work and my pay rise meant we could afford it. But then a job came up at my place. I put her name forward and she got it. So it is not fair to say I got her the job, just facilitated it.

She does not enjoy the job. But not enough to have even looked for another let alone applied elsewhere.

I work 4 long days a week. She used to work 5. Plan was for her to return to work 2 days part time one day covered by me. The other by my mum and dad. I was really looking forward to one day a week just me and ds.

She doesn't want to go back to work. Makes a sop towards it. But whenever anyone asks about it she says 'oh it's not decided yet' or 'I've got to talk to my manager'.

We talked through my reasons for wanting her to return to work. It gives her independent money. It is a fallback should I die. It reduces pressure on me from being the only earner. I want that day being a 'real mum.' It will be easier to go now and increase hours as ds goes to school than it will to find a brand new job in 4 years. Especially if she shows the same lack of interest in looking for a job then as before. But they are all quite selfish reasons I recognise. Some of it is the feminist in me wanting ds to see working parents. Some of it is jealousy that she has had this time with ds. And no matter how hard I try I am a second parent. Not the real deal.

I do my best to share chores and childcare. Ds is breast fed. So bulk of night feeds etc fell her way. And ds is reliant on breast or sling to sleep. So I have cooked every dinner for the past 9 months except two. One tonight and one last month when I knew we had no food and brought home chips. D'oh! I even cook from scratch after I get home at 9 pm and have to be at work for 8 the next morning. A meal plan has meant she at least, mostly, lifts stuff out of freezer if I ask her to now.

I do not do enough of the washing
I accept that. I share cleaning bathrooms. I do most of it she does some. I do cat litter and picking up dog poo from garden. We have an erratic gardener to mow lawns. I do it on weeks he hasn't come due to rain. Bin is emptied by whoever wants to put more in it when it is full. She feeds pets in morning. I do in evening. She does 90%of hoovering. I do not tidy up well enough after cooking and am trying to improve. I do bath and stories 3 or 4 nights a week.

Aibu to want her to return to work part time after 1 year mat leave 6m unpaid and only family income being my salary. No child benefit as I earn just over the threshold.

There are other bits that make me think I'm jealous. We went to doctors last week with ds and dr asked who was in the room. Dp said [ds] and I'm[x] his mum. And this is nanunanu his sort of mum too.

That sort of mum phrase really cut to the bone. And I'm sure she didn't mean it how I took it. But oh it hurt so so much.

There is, obviously, lots of layers. Nothing is as simple as 'aibu to want dp to work 2 days a week when we could afford (with a bit of belt tightening) for her never to work again'. There's a whole lot of emotion with it.

And I know she feels hard done by because night wakening are still entirely hers to do. I sleep through. I could do more around the house. And she has said before that she is 'fed up of being the bad guy' when I have told her other things she has said that I find hurtful but expresses her unhappiness like talking about baby number 2 and if I try to carry this time she said 'do you think you could do it? Not getting pregnant I mean all the rest of it....' I said that was mean. I'm trying my hardest. She said she didn't mean it like that. I said well how do you mean it. She said 'oh I don't know. I'm fed up of always being the bad guy. Having to watch what I say because you'll take it wrong'. So I've not mentioned the 'sort of mum too' comment from last week because it upsets me too much.

Aaargh. Sorry this post is so long. Just trying to avoid drip feeding.

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JapaneseSlipper · 18/07/2016 22:39

Wandastartup I feel uncomfortable about you flagging that up - if I were the OP I would feel embarrassed by your post. Was it necessary?

AdjustableWench · 18/07/2016 22:50

Sorry it's so hard at the moment.

Clearly both of you want to spend as much time as possible with your son. It's understandable that she doesn't want to go back to work, and equally understandable that you want more time with your child. And it sounds like she's not really hearing your side of things. Have you thought about doing some couples counselling? There's quite a lot to talk about, including the question of a second pregnancy...

FWIW, I know a same sex couple with two kids, and each mum carried one, so both mums experienced birth and breastfeeding etc. It worked well for them...

Wandastartup · 18/07/2016 22:52

Happy for it to be removed if you want to report it.

Nanunanu · 18/07/2016 22:53

Not a reverse. I'm actually younger by a few years. I possibly am patronising.

Similar sort of office work before. And before that retail management.

We agreed loads before hand. But life changes things. So names are agreed. She is mummy I am mama. Changing to mum and ma when older. 5 year plan she would carry first. I would go second as younger and fatter. I would use same donor sperm so siblings by blood not just legality. She would go back to work 3 days a week. I would then take 6m mat leave with number 2 as my contract has good generous terms for first 6m. But some complexities means I am not covered to be allowed to share parental leave. All legal that I don't have that right. It may be negotiable.

There are some psychological barriers I would have to overcome before I could become pregnant though. I struggle with some medical aspects.

There is always a plan. But when life intervenes you have to change it. Sticking to it rigidly only makes you unhappy.

Inequality of income existed before it is true wanda. But more equality in housework. If anything I was the lazy one. I still am in so many ways.

I don't know if I'd be happy if she did more around the home. I suspect so. But I don't want to fall into trap where sahm does everything either. I think, right now, I am feeling desperately unloved and unappreciated. Despite trying very hard. I suspect she is too.

I posted elsewhere a few months ago when things were really hard. I took on a lot of advice from there and things really improved. It is just coming to a head as return to work date approaches. But rl friends recognised me and there were very few lesbians there. I wondered if here there would be more. And there are!

I should clearly never be a spy though if you can recognise my posting style with unimportant details changed!

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Kr1stina · 18/07/2016 22:58

If you are both trying hard and both feeling unloved , then I think that counselling could really help .

I'm sorry, you do sound quite down . Having a new baby is a stressful time for couples, it changes so much and in ways you don't expect

RandomMess · 18/07/2016 23:01

I agree counselling can really help.

I also think prioritising your dp getting some full nights and dealing with night waking is a huge thing. Broken nights/sleep deprivation really is torturous. I don't think I'd be keen on going back to work if having to deal with night wakenings whilst dp slept through!!!

Nanunanu · 18/07/2016 23:03

Re increasing chores if she goes back to work, I am unsure if I am honest if I am willing to do that. That would leave me even less time with ds. I wouldnt be dropping a day of work. Although it is something to think about. Maybe after we have paid the costs of getting child number 2. But I have said we should get a cleaner. Afterall we have a gardener, as haphazard as he is, a cleaner might just remove some of the stress.

I do bath time and nappies, of course I do. I just want a day when he is mine and mine alone. I think I may be putting too much emphasis on this one day though.

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PersianCatLady · 18/07/2016 23:04

I cannot believe that she called you "sort of mum" at the doctor's, surely the doctor must have already known about your situation even if it was from just looking at the notes on the screen.

Please don't answer these questions if you feel that they are in any way inappropriate, but am I right in thinking that your DP is the birth mother of your DS? Also, if you have another child together will you or your DP be the birth mother of your second child?

JapaneseSlipper · 18/07/2016 23:05

I think I brought more attention to it so won't report! Sorry if I sounded harsh wanda but I don't want the OP to feel uncomfortable as this is the sort of thing that needs sharing, and a feeling of anonymity helps that.

Nanu, sorry if I made it sound like you didn't have a plan, of course you did. I do think that it's fair to expect to stick to it. Or at the very least your partner needs to be prepared to discuss it, if she has changed the goalposts! Ridiculous not to.

Your feelings of being unloved and unappreciated will get better, I really think they will. The first year is so, so hard! I know it's not the same, but my partner felt really down around this point - met up with some other fathers and many of them ended up in tears, comforting each other as they all felt utterly adrift, unwanted, unhelpful. Are there support groups that you are in touch with?

I hope you can hang in there. A breastfed baby is really hard on both parents - it of course has so many benefits but it does create a very unequal situation for the parents.

I would say that around this time, lots is about to change - solid food, sleep etc. It can take a while for the BFing mother to accept that the baby will survive without her for a few hours or a day - but that day is getting very close now (if it's not here already) - your partner may just need a push to accept it ... I only realised my PFB could go to bed without me when she was about 13 months and I got unexpectedly delayed, partner had to feed her with cow's milk, and guess what - everything was fine. Sometimes it is these little accidents that make you realise that life goes on and the baby is growing up.

Nanunanu · 18/07/2016 23:10

Randomess would you be keen on taking on night waking as well as being the only cook. Over half the cleaning. All gardening. Only earner. All landlord responsibilities. Only shopper. Equal share of nappies when at home. Equal share of nap enforcing when at home. Bather every night you are home in time.

When currently ds wakes. Requires a boob change and then goes back to sleep? He ignores my boobs. I have tried.

I cannot force her to wean him off her boobs as a sleep crutch. I have offered but it sounds like I am criticising her.

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RandomMess · 18/07/2016 23:12

It's not about you doing more chores it's about equal leisure time and also about being equal parents.

The reality it when you both work the chores get done after the DC go to bed not instead of being involved!!!

Primaryteach87 · 18/07/2016 23:12

I'm a SAHM. I'm not going back to work in the near future (currently pregnant!). So I can see your DPs point of view - namely that your son needs her. My son adores his daddy and wants to play with him. DH is a very hands on and equal parent but sometimes I instinctively 'pull rank'. DH finds this really hurtful and infuriating (unsurprisingly!). The only way I can describe it, as a primal thing. I really don't mean to and it doesn't reflect how I think or feel about my DH and his competency or worth as a parent. I'm only saying this, as your DP might have said something in the heat of the moment but it doesn't mean she doesn't value you as a mum.

I can also see how hurtful and hard it must be to feel you have to fight for your right to be taken seriously as a mum, even with your own partner.

These seem like the big issues, that both of you need to talk openly about before even thinking about the work issue.

RandomMess · 18/07/2016 23:16

Actually I said deal with them - as in put in the time to stop night wakings IF they are just for comfort. I didn't mean you do them all. You work out a strategy and see it through without said baby being left to cry without comfort.

It does sound as though you feel that actually you do more than a fair share...?

Is basically your partner making being a Mum all time and life consuming and is refusing to let you get a look in as well as now refusing to go back to work...

Was this ever a healthy relationship?

All things to consider perhaps?

Kr1stina · 18/07/2016 23:22

I cannot force her to wean him off her boobs as a sleep crutch. I have offered but it sounds like I am criticising her

Well if you used that expression then you arebeing critical - it's a very pejorative way of putting it . She is giving your son the best possible start at great inconvenience to herself . Sleep deprivation is very hard .

Upallnight9 · 18/07/2016 23:27

I think she is having her cake and eat it.

I don't believe you are being unreasonable.

Nanunanu · 18/07/2016 23:31

Yes randomess that is exactly what she is doing.

It used to be a healthy relationship. It can be again. I don't know how to get there. But I will hold on to Japanese slipper's advice that we can get there. And yes pulling rank is exactly how it feels. It is not usually overt but it is obvious that I don't do things the way she wants them done. And the way she wants them done is the way it must be done.

It will get easier.

It will.

But oh so many overlapping layers of slight unhappiness builds up into one gigantic whole (hole?) Of despair.

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Wandastartup · 18/07/2016 23:34

Poor you it sounds miserable. Maybe counselling would be useful to allow you each to see an alternative point of view & to have a clear discussion about why it is fair for her to go back to work.

Nanunanu · 18/07/2016 23:34

No Kristina that is not the phrase I have used.

I have offered to rock to sleep. I have asked her how she wants to do it. If she wants to do it even. I have hushed. I have cried. Tonight I walked with ds in a sling for 2 hours. Dog loved it. Eventually he went to sleep.

But there is no denying he likes her boobs for comfort. But right now he is asleep next to me like butter wouldn't melt in his mouth. And just looks so divinely beautiful my heart breaks that I cannot do for him what he wants and needs for a nights sleep

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DoinItFine · 18/07/2016 23:42

And the way she wants them done is the way it must be done.

Eh... no.

Just no.

That is not right.

It is not cool.

Your son has two parents.

He needs both of you to be allowed to care for him your way.

That is what it is to be a parent.

She has no right to come between you like that.

AdjustableWench · 18/07/2016 23:47

I've heard that some babies will settle if the non-breastfeeding partner wears an unwashed tshirt that's been worn by the breastfeeding partner (so that you smell of milk). Might that work for you? Obviously it won't solve all your difficulties, but might it be worth a try?

Sorry, I keep trying to think of things that might help, but maybe it's better just to say I hear your pain and I hope things get better soon.

MunchCrunch01 · 18/07/2016 23:49

My dh hated bf for both our dc because he felt so excluded - i don't think you sound unreasonable at all. I think in your case having a second child could well help with your feelings of exclusion, I believe you absolutely ought to stick to the plan to carry this one so you can have this experience - it'll help you see it from the other's perspective. On the work front: I'd just insist she goes back 3 days a week per plan. Neither I nor my DH would be happy to take on a long term dependent partner so why should you? Counselling may be a good idea but don't compromise on the important things, the carrying the second baby and the return to work. I don't think it's selfish to want a day to be be primary parent, you've set your work week up to do it too!

YouAreMyRain · 18/07/2016 23:53

I think the most important thing is to address how you communicate. If either one of you feels upset/hurt etc then you should be able to say how you feel and for that to be accepted, not dismissed or batted away with "I didn't mean it like that" or "I'm fed up of being the bad guy" a simple "I understand that me doing X made you feel Y" etc

I think counselling would be really helpful, not because you are in major relationship crisis (as people often think) but just to help with communication and conflict resolution and improve things for both of you

Nanunanu · 18/07/2016 23:54

Wench thankyou. Both for your suggestions and for hearing my pain.

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MunchCrunch01 · 18/07/2016 23:54

Also - at 9 months for both dc I no longer did night bf - and your ds can take a cup. woukd your p agree to stop night feeds altogether? They can prolong night wakings, both dds slept better when I stopped offering a nightly bf

Nanunanu · 18/07/2016 23:58

Lots of folk have suggested counselling. I don't want to out myself in real life. At least not to those that don't read a certain closed forum elsewhere on the interwebs.

It is a legal requirement that you have counselling before using donor sperm. Let's just say the session did not go well. And has made me very wary of opening up to people in that way as she didn't listen properly and over interpreted things we said. And both of us just agreed to jump the hoops.

I think if I was to suggest counselling my dp would struggle with the concept after our last experience.

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