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To want dp to return to work part time when we could cope on my salary alone

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Nanunanu · 18/07/2016 19:33

Background. We are a same sex couple. Together 15 years. We have our first ds who is 9 months old. We have very disparate earnings. I am second parent and dp took maternity leave.

We are now looking at time for dp to return to work. Dp works in my offices as I found her a job. She was unemployed for 6 months and not looking that hard (had signed up for two agencies but not chasing it). I didn't push her looking as she was unemployed because we had moved for my work and my pay rise meant we could afford it. But then a job came up at my place. I put her name forward and she got it. So it is not fair to say I got her the job, just facilitated it.

She does not enjoy the job. But not enough to have even looked for another let alone applied elsewhere.

I work 4 long days a week. She used to work 5. Plan was for her to return to work 2 days part time one day covered by me. The other by my mum and dad. I was really looking forward to one day a week just me and ds.

She doesn't want to go back to work. Makes a sop towards it. But whenever anyone asks about it she says 'oh it's not decided yet' or 'I've got to talk to my manager'.

We talked through my reasons for wanting her to return to work. It gives her independent money. It is a fallback should I die. It reduces pressure on me from being the only earner. I want that day being a 'real mum.' It will be easier to go now and increase hours as ds goes to school than it will to find a brand new job in 4 years. Especially if she shows the same lack of interest in looking for a job then as before. But they are all quite selfish reasons I recognise. Some of it is the feminist in me wanting ds to see working parents. Some of it is jealousy that she has had this time with ds. And no matter how hard I try I am a second parent. Not the real deal.

I do my best to share chores and childcare. Ds is breast fed. So bulk of night feeds etc fell her way. And ds is reliant on breast or sling to sleep. So I have cooked every dinner for the past 9 months except two. One tonight and one last month when I knew we had no food and brought home chips. D'oh! I even cook from scratch after I get home at 9 pm and have to be at work for 8 the next morning. A meal plan has meant she at least, mostly, lifts stuff out of freezer if I ask her to now.

I do not do enough of the washing
I accept that. I share cleaning bathrooms. I do most of it she does some. I do cat litter and picking up dog poo from garden. We have an erratic gardener to mow lawns. I do it on weeks he hasn't come due to rain. Bin is emptied by whoever wants to put more in it when it is full. She feeds pets in morning. I do in evening. She does 90%of hoovering. I do not tidy up well enough after cooking and am trying to improve. I do bath and stories 3 or 4 nights a week.

Aibu to want her to return to work part time after 1 year mat leave 6m unpaid and only family income being my salary. No child benefit as I earn just over the threshold.

There are other bits that make me think I'm jealous. We went to doctors last week with ds and dr asked who was in the room. Dp said [ds] and I'm[x] his mum. And this is nanunanu his sort of mum too.

That sort of mum phrase really cut to the bone. And I'm sure she didn't mean it how I took it. But oh it hurt so so much.

There is, obviously, lots of layers. Nothing is as simple as 'aibu to want dp to work 2 days a week when we could afford (with a bit of belt tightening) for her never to work again'. There's a whole lot of emotion with it.

And I know she feels hard done by because night wakening are still entirely hers to do. I sleep through. I could do more around the house. And she has said before that she is 'fed up of being the bad guy' when I have told her other things she has said that I find hurtful but expresses her unhappiness like talking about baby number 2 and if I try to carry this time she said 'do you think you could do it? Not getting pregnant I mean all the rest of it....' I said that was mean. I'm trying my hardest. She said she didn't mean it like that. I said well how do you mean it. She said 'oh I don't know. I'm fed up of always being the bad guy. Having to watch what I say because you'll take it wrong'. So I've not mentioned the 'sort of mum too' comment from last week because it upsets me too much.

Aaargh. Sorry this post is so long. Just trying to avoid drip feeding.

OP posts:
silverduck · 18/07/2016 21:00

"And this is nanunanu his sort of mum too."

That comment took my breath away, you need to talk to her about that. Absolutely she needs to go back to work, for all the reasons you have laid out.

You need time to bond with your child too and where would you both be if you decided to carry a child and then not go back to work as she wants? What does she say when you ask this?

MoonriseKingdom · 18/07/2016 21:22

Another one wondering about the legality of your situation. You refer to partner but is there anything official ie civil partnership or marriage? Do you have parental responsibility?

I'm afraid she really sounds as if she has no intention of going back. YANBU to be unhappy with this especially the comment at the GP. I am not sure how you will move forward if she chooses to quit work.

AppleAndBlackberry · 18/07/2016 21:23

I went back to work after DD1 was a year old but it was really hard and she was quite distressed when I left her. So I can see both sides. We were lucky enough when we had DD2 that I could take a couple of years out, which I much preferred. I did then go back to work for many if the reasons that were important to you (security, role model, less pressure on DH). If her job allows for it, perhaps you could compromise on a period of extended leave? I've avoided addressing the same-sex specific issues as I don't have any experience of that, but it does sound hard if she doesn't see you as a real parent.

Kr1stina · 18/07/2016 21:32

I don't understand why you don't already have time with your child if you only work 4 days a week ?

JacquettaWoodville · 18/07/2016 21:45

If he wakes for comfort not food then you could try taking him overnight a few times and walking him to sleep. Maybe the day before your day off and Friday and Saturday. Get him used to you and it's easier.

You aren't being selfish. DH and I both went part time when kids were small, as we both wanted to be with them!

JacquettaWoodville · 18/07/2016 21:45

Kr1stina, I think she means on her own.

Nanunanu · 18/07/2016 21:46

I am Legal parent. Definite parental rights. But I'll be financially screwed if she ups sticks tomorrow. Let alone losing my son. I'm not sure I could face it being an every other weekend parent. No. I have to work this out. I'd lose everything if we split and what would be the point then?

Of course there are wills. Could do with more life insurance. There is enough to pay off the mortgage on our house and nearly all of our old house -currently rented due to negative equity- so there will be rental income. But it was calculated on her returning to work level of income. I have appalling family history so it costs a fair bit for the cover we get.

I have very mixed feelings about number 2. All kindsa emotion. We are lucky enough to have 3 frozen embryos and I love ds so much I want more of him. I don't know the legalities if I can carry those frozen embryos or not. But it is a discussion for another day.

The sort of mum was said to an out of hours doc when ds was ill. We were tired and worried. But kinda like the truth comes out when drunk so such slips can be revealing. But I don't want to read too much in to it.

I did try but breast feeding did not work for me. He did not latch. And seemed to know. Even now he just turns away from me if we try!

Before he was born we agreed back to work three days a week. Now he is here she has only left him for dental appointments and a single spa afternoon. I loved that day. Cos even when I'm looking after him when I'm not at work she is always there telling me I'm doing it wrong.

I need to separate it all in my head though. Otherwise it will just seem like I'm laying into her. Things are better than they were two months ago. I've relaxed standards of evening meal. Since ds has started solids he needs less breast milk. He is less unhappy now he isn't starving!

It will get easier. Just now is hard. And I don't know if I'm attaching too much emotion on to her return to work. I was at my mums for lunch with ds and dp talking about spending more time there so ds gets used to them more looking after him and dp got very quiet and sulky and we haven't really talked since. I think she hates the idea so much.

I think I might be being unreasonable. She is too. But in a different way. I just hate working a 50 hour week so someone else can live the life I want. I thought I could do it. And I want her to know how hard I find it to leave him too. But I do so that we can eat. So that we can afford the private fertility. So that we can live a life of relative comfort. I'm lucky I mostly enjoy my job. But I'd prefer it if I didn't have to work.... and I guess yeah she doesn't have to....

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JacquettaWoodville · 18/07/2016 21:51

"even when I'm looking after him when I'm not at work she is always there telling me I'm doing it wrong."

That needs to stop. It really does.

Can you take him out on the day you are home, just to a cafe or a swim class or something ? You need the one to one bonding time.

RosieandJim89 · 18/07/2016 21:52

I think you really need to address the balance here. I had a year off with our DS1 and DH barely had a week of time alone with him in about 18 months.
You can tell. You can tell so much that DH said he wants to take some leave with our next. So I would 6 months, him 3 and my first reaction was "oh but then I get less time" Then I realised how selfish that was and how much our children would benefit with more time with dad.
The best for your children is that you are both well bonded, secure and happy. YOu are not being selfish at all!

HermioneWeasley · 18/07/2016 21:52

It does sound hard at the moment. We are lucky that I never wanted to be pregnant or give birth and I'm happy for DW to be primary carer, but we always discussed and agreed everything.

If your DW still isn't back at work then your DS is still very little - so you are both tired and adjusting. If your relationship was good before then it can be good again.

Can you find a time to talk when you're both calm so you're not reacting to things the other has said, but truly listening?

Nanunanu · 18/07/2016 21:53

Yes Kristina I mean time on my own with him. Time to learn my own ways of doing things. Time that if he cries I have to sort it. Time that mistakes are my own to make. Time that if I'm a bit early or late for lunch or nap or if he gets in a mess he is mine to clean up or not, now or in 30 minutes....

Time to be a mum on my own with him. I enjoy time as a family I just want time as a mum too. And not a sort of mum.

OP posts:
Nanunanu · 18/07/2016 22:02

It has been extra hard as we have had the auditors in at work last week. Now we await the report. So my stress levels have been high combined with worry about ds being poorly. Better now thank goodness.

You're right hermione we need to talk when calm and I need to listen. But with only 2 months of mat leave I am worried time will run away from us.

I thought about starting a class but they are all term time only around here....

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JapaneseSlipper · 18/07/2016 22:03

"You don't frame your wish for her to return to work PT as being best for your DS. It's mostly about your feelings."

And?

Gazelda, maybe the OP also missed the memo where everything has to be about what's best for the child, with no regard for the long-term wishes of the parents.

OP, this sounds very tough. Lots of other people have made good points so I will simply say - it must be very difficult navigating this circumstance, in which both parents can carry the baby. I daresay there isn't a lot of support out there for people in your situation, it does sound as though there was no "five year plan" (for example) in which it was laid out clearly who will carry which pregnancy.

You sound v supportive and thoughtful, I hope you get some help on here. x

JapaneseSlipper · 18/07/2016 22:12

Sorry just read your further posts.

I would say that at 9 months, although it doesn't seem like it (in terms of when people normally go back to work), it is still early days. My god, in the US women go back after 6 weeks - totally nuts - but in the UK it's about now, 9 months in, that most would be back at work. But from your partner's position it may still feel very early, especially as you have enough money for now and she isn't looking forward to going back to work. You may, if you can bear it and afford it, get a better response from her if you 'time box' the conversation - say "we need to discuss your return to work, can we do so in 4 weeks?" - and give her a bit more time.

I do think she IBU, by the way, but you can be right or you can be happy, if you know what I mean.

The other thing is, my partner often said what you are - that he'd love time alone with the DC.The stupid thing is, I didn't really believe him. To tell the truth, I spent so much time wishing I could escape the babies that I assumed he felt the same, but felt obligated to "step up". Do you think there is any chance this is what is going on here? The other thing that rang true was the "standing over my shoulder and correcting me", I was guilty of that, much as I tried not to.

It does sound like you have a day a week to just be with your son. I would, while the 4 weeks are pending, also send your partner away (nicely) for the day and be very clear you want alone time. This conversation should be framed very very positively, it should all be about how much you love alone time and how you want to improve your parenting. And some time off for her can be a bonus.

xx

SharonfromEON · 18/07/2016 22:13

After reading the thread I am wondering how much she does actually consider you the Little one's other mum.. It sounds like the baby is hers..You get too cook and clean..How much time do you get to spend with him..

Sounds like you are doing your share of cooking, cleaning earning all the money and she is doing the mummy bit.

arethereanyleftatall · 18/07/2016 22:14

Wtaf??

She is taking the piss.

She really isn't being very nice to you at all ATM. Not sure why you're bending over backward to defend her.

Kr1stina · 18/07/2016 22:16

Thanks for explaining . In that case you and your DW really DO need to talk. If you've been together 15 years I'm suprised you haven't agreed some of these things befroe now

Eg what you would both be called ( not sort of mum )

Can I ask what job she did before she worked in your office ? Are you a lot older than her ? You sound a little ....patronising when you talk about her . Sorry if that offends , I'm not trying to be rude. But that's how it comes across to me .

Or are you a MF couple and this is a reverse ?

JacquettaWoodville · 18/07/2016 22:17

"we need to discuss your return to work, can we do so in 4 weeks?" "

If she is going back part time, there may be requests to be made and considered at work. Can you check the time frames of these, OP?

JacquettaWoodville · 18/07/2016 22:18

Kr1stina, OP said that they discussed the DP going back 3 days a week prior to ML.

Your suggestion that this is a reverse is rude.

tiredandhungryalways · 18/07/2016 22:19

Her comment was on unkind of course but I don't blame her for not wanting to return to work. I dreaded going back to work after maternity and would absolutely love to stay at home if my husbands salary allowed it so I do understand her position. Sounds like you have other issues which are clouding everything and if she didn't return to work but pulled her weight around the house you guys would be okay

EveEve13 · 18/07/2016 22:22

I think you are being pretty reasonable.
I would frame it around income and current / future expectations.
It is fair that you drop to 4 days (as planned) and have 1 day at home with bubs. It is fair that she works at least 2 days per week. Especially if she wants larger house etc.
You just need to have that painful conversation re incomes, wants and reality!! Start it now and do it with a counsellor if you think it going to get difficult. This may involve you doing more dishes though!

I think her comment 'sort of mum' just reflected who is the primary caregiver at the moment: she is, and that's ok.. So try and not be hurt.
(Also, BF till age 1 is enough really.. Anything beyond that is a bonus I think)

JacquettaWoodville · 18/07/2016 22:22

"Sounds like you have other issues which are clouding everything and if she didn't return to work but pulled her weight around the house you guys would be okay"

How do you figure this? OP would like to take maternity leave herself in the future, potentially.

OP, if you do have another and she bears the child, I assume you could do shared parental leave for some of the ML?

Wandastartup · 18/07/2016 22:26

OP I recognise some of the details here from a different site ( although appreciate some details have been changed).
Your DP does very little (other than caring for the baby) . You earn all the money, do all the cooking & the majority of housework despite working in a stressful & busy job. The inequality predates the baby if I'm correct & she is essentially quite lazy.
I don't think it is at all unreasonable of you to want to drop a day at work and your DP is being incredibly unreasonable. I don't know how you can make her though & hope others have more useful suggestions.

RandomMess · 18/07/2016 22:36

I think with regards to your dp going back to work:

The agreement was that they returned to work, you are prepared to compromise down to days instead of 3. You are being reasonable to say "I'm not prepared to take on the full financial responsibility for us as a family unit. I will help you deal with the night wakings and obviously will ensure that we have equal leisure time by taking on more chores. How do you propse we do that?"

Do not get into a dynamic where you get blackmailed into doing what your dp wants e they leave

DoinItFine · 18/07/2016 22:38

Your son is being denied a close relationship with both of his parents.

It is appalling that you get so little time to care for him on your own.

DH bonded really well and really early to all of our children because he cared for them by himself.

Just taking them off for a bath, changing their nappy, getting them dressed.

It is so, so important for both parents to have an independent relationship with their own child.

I think you are being way more patient than is ideal here.

It sounds like she is using you.