Brexit rage

[holeinyourhead]

What's happened in the last 10 days has really affected me. It's all I think about tbh and I feel so enraged at seeing the politicians lie to us so lavishly then bail on us so swiftly, yet I'm completely powerless to do anything. I marched, I wrote to my MP, I've signed petitions. I'm obviously one of the 48% who wanted to remain. I can't find fault with the 52% who voted to leave, it's not their fault. It's a democratic process, I understand that of course. Everyone's entitled to their view and it's not that I'm a sore loser. But the catastrophic fallout isn't what even the most hardline leave voter would have wished for, there's no Brexit plan, and the future looks very bleak. I was at a conference today and a Conservative MP and a Brussels Eurocrats both agreed a recession in the medium term is now inevitable. People around me seem to be getting on with things - I wish I could too - but I've been very tearful and sleepless and worried sick. I run a European business just out of start up phase, employing a handful of people who by chance are not British born and who are now very nervous themselves about the future. The more I read the more hopeless I feel with each passing resignation. AIBU to feel like this? Does anyone else feel the same? Am I going nuts?!! I feel very alone.

I didn't foresee Cameron resigning because I didn't foresee the Leavers winning (and neither, it seems, did the vast majority of the rest of the electorate including those who did vote Leave). Had someone said to me "what if the referendum results in a Leave majority" I would have said "Cameron will resign" It's fairly bleeding obvious.

No bib just decently politically astute enough to know a politician's promises aren't worth jack.

Still waiting to hear your explanation of wealth redistribution beetroot

beetroot Sorry to break it to you, but we're not out. Officially, nothing has changed about our status yet; unfortunately, the vote (which was an advisory opinion poll really) has just created massive unrest in the stock markets.

Didn't Cameron say he would resign beforehand anyway?

For anyone interested in the legal challenge

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/05/deadline-approaches-government-response-brexit-legal-challenge-article-50?client=ms-android-orange-gb#

Could be interesting to see how this develops.

Bambamrubblesmum
Yes the youngsters of Greece (48% unemployment ) Spain (45% unemployment ) and italy (39% unemployment ) must be excited that the EU is protecting their rights

I don't think he did clam though the leave campaign all backed him to stay as they thought he was the right man for the job. Which pretty much signed his death warrant.

Unfortunately not yet. Fingers crossed though. I don't need to explain to you Sooty. If we were sitting down discussing things then I would.

"decently politically astute enough"

I like that phrase. Might have to change user names.

I understand the angst and uncertainty but what I DONT understand is the vehement attacks on leave voters, that they are all stupid uneducated and liable for the fact we are ALL GOING TO DIEEEE.

It makes any reasoned argument by the remain voters look stupid and puerile.

It's the same that frustrates me at GE, anyone that votes Tory is an idiot and labour voters are the only progressive educated thinkers.

Perhaps consider that those who voted in the opposite way to you have a different political and fiscal viewpoint? Open up your minds and accept that a difference of opinion is just that, not less valid, different.

I actually didn't vote as I was a fence sitter. I am more of a "leave" swing. I am of the belief that the EU was / is not a sustainable proposition in its current format. It is not viable in the long term for a handful of countries to prop up the many. The red tape was becoming a constructive monstrosity and the move towards super state status rather than a functional trading/collaborating/negotiating block wouldn't work. There are just too many cultural differences.

I also abhor the EUs approach to the refugee crisis and believe by opening the floodgates they may as well have drowned those children themselves, all to look like the good guy.

I believe cultural/national identity as much as it is a backwards ideology is a fact, it is part of human nature that is not going to change and this ignoring of that fact and stamping on those identities to create a homogenous mass is what has opened the door to the insidious evil of the far right. I believe my mixed race children will be safer in the future, not in more danger.

You may disagree with those beliefs, but neither you nor I can yet prove who is right, we just come at the same end goal from different angles.

I accept in the short to medium term there will be uncertainty. I accept untangling the mess will take time. I believe if we can get the right people in place that can be done. And I believe in the long term gain.

There is a whole lot of world out there now opened up. We import more from the away than we export, they can talk a good fight but we will still be trading and working together eventually.

And in reality what has "happened". pM stepped down (bad), Boris bogged off (and?) Nigel bogged off (good and also not an MP so..?), labour collapsed (inevitable without this), markets uncertain (inevitable again).

What have I missed?

Gone from anger to utter despair. My work involves short term contracts. I've just been told that the next two that I was negotiating have been ring-fenced for European workers, which may not be me in the near future. I've been advised to consider moving to an EU country to ensure future work. Can't take my family with me due to personal circumstances, so not sure how that would work. At least France is doing well out of Brexit because I'm currently drowning my sorrows in a fantastic bottle of wine...

Rage? I think it's time you stopped reading social media and talk a long walk admiring nature. We are not at war. Your family is not in immediate peril. AS humans we are admirably adroit at adapting. Unless we spend too much time online, cultivating rage and negativity.

You're far from alone, OP. I'm a Remainer living in one of the few London boroughs that voted leave, in fact mine was the highest percentage in London (so proud). I keep looking round at people in Tesco and thinking "you knobheads, 7 out of 10 of you wanted this and for what? So bullshit ideas about "the good old days" and blatant racism?"

I have Jewish ancestry and to me, this feels like the beginning of something dreadful. There's a horrible undercurrent of evil at the heart of this. I've yet to hear a single argument for leave that wasn't (at best) a thinly veiled version of "send the buggers back".

YANBU at all. I don't think we should have been given the vote for this as the general public. For every well informed individual that read up, did research and cross checked source references there were multiple people who just voted on a whim, a feeling, racist views or what they heard from someone else last week in the bus queue.
This should have been decided by a large but decisive collection from a cross section of business and financial professional individuals with accountability.

Yes well that sort of patronising drivel really helps, doesn't it?

Strictly, same here.

Ive just found a long message to a friend who'd tried very hard to persuade me to vote leave before the event - the reasons I gave him at the time for not doing so are pretty much exactly what's come to pass so far. I'm a long way from being a political expert and it was pretty obvious to me it wasn't the greatest idea - I'm still baffled at how so many millions of people expected anything different.

That was to Fryingtoday.

Nigel is that you?

Yep FellOutOfBed. Exactly.

People on here want to vomit or stab someone? For real? Get a grip

Not people. Me.

Yes - that's how I feel. My life is ruined, my company is ruined and I think the country I love is going the same way. So sue me for feeling a little upset by mindless idiots promising me it will all get better in a few weeks, that wealth distribution is going to happen, that pictures of Merkel/Juncker make it all worthwhile. I have tried very hard since Brexit to be fair to Leavers - I have not indulged in any name calling or smearing but frankly it's getting harder by the day to stick to that in the face of such facile goading.

Someone need to get a grip but personally I'm too busy sorting out the mess my life has become. How bout you be gracious in victory and stop ruining the space that some of us need to process?

My Nigel comment was to beetroot. Mn is doing some weird delayed posting thing this eve

Beer (Belgian).

I am of the belief that the EU was / is not a sustainable proposition in its current format. It is not viable in the long term for a handful of countries to prop up the many. The red tape was becoming a constructive monstrosity and the move towards super state status rather than a functional trading/collaborating/negotiating block wouldn't work. There are just too many cultural differences.

Absolutely. And our only hope of effecting any sort of change to that, was to be around the table as a member. We're going to be outside the door now, with our ear pressed to the keyhole.

beetroot2 We had this out on referendum night.
It is still wrong to be a racist
There won't be any more jobs available to you
There won't be anymore housing either

The only people who have made any money on this so far are the traders on the FTSE 100 making money off the back of the weak pound. I told you this would happen at the time but you called me a 'silly doom monger'.
And, yes, I'm still white British.