Brexit rage

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What's happened in the last 10 days has really affected me. It's all I think about tbh and I feel so enraged at seeing the politicians lie to us so lavishly then bail on us so swiftly, yet I'm completely powerless to do anything. I marched, I wrote to my MP, I've signed petitions. I'm obviously one of the 48% who wanted to remain. I can't find fault with the 52% who voted to leave, it's not their fault. It's a democratic process, I understand that of course. Everyone's entitled to their view and it's not that I'm a sore loser. But the catastrophic fallout isn't what even the most hardline leave voter would have wished for, there's no Brexit plan, and the future looks very bleak. I was at a conference today and a Conservative MP and a Brussels Eurocrats both agreed a recession in the medium term is now inevitable. People around me seem to be getting on with things - I wish I could too - but I've been very tearful and sleepless and worried sick. I run a European business just out of start up phase, employing a handful of people who by chance are not British born and who are now very nervous themselves about the future. The more I read the more hopeless I feel with each passing resignation. AIBU to feel like this? Does anyone else feel the same? Am I going nuts?!! I feel very alone.

your kids will be able to live and work in EU countries.The very worst thing that will happen is they have to apply for a Visa

And why would the employer bother the hassle of that when he can find any other candidate in his own or an EU country without having to apply for one...? The work permit will probably be refused anyway when EU citizens have priority......

If leavers are saying, oh yes, they'll be a period of economic downturn, and we just have to accept that, it isn't speculation that BREXIT will affect the poorest in society. Who suffers first during a 'period of economic downturn with even more austerity policies - 'top tax payers'? They'll be just fine because they have many more choices.

I think for many a few more years of hardship which they are used to then maybe their lives would improve appealed

What didn't was the same as what they have now no end to hardship

They threats were met with a resistance of we can take that on we are there already it fell on deaf ears because their suffering was not fully acknowledged in the first place

The very worst thing that will happen is they have to apply for a Visa.

Visas plus NHS surcharges to the UK cost several thousand pounds per person. This is enormously off-putting, even to highly skilled workers:

www.timeshighereducation.com/comment/global-scholars-might-pay-a-high-price-to-join-uk-higher-education-post-brexit

If we get the same costs for visas in retaliation, it will only be possible to live and work in the rest of the EU if you are able to pay visa costs per family of 10k+ every three years.

^"Brexit means Brexit"

Wow, how meaningful.^

Very. Just like sausage means sausage. And I can sort of see it heading down the route of being given a veggie sausage and questioning why there is no meat option only to be told that no one specified the sausage type in the first place so you'll have to make do with veggie.

Bengal That's exactly it. The kicker will be that if we opt not to be part of an EEA and try a (suicidal) WTO option then the tariffs placed on trade will be met by individual companies, making them less competitive in the market. We could be under cut by EU companies. China would be foolish not to look elsewhere for EU trade partners if we can't compete in the EU.
We look like total donkeys to the rest of the world.

I don't think there's much justification for saying Brexit hasn't harmed our economy yet.

My DH is a financial adviser and he is currently on back to back phone calls trying to explain to clients why their shares have fallen 17%/why they need to sell their shares now unless they can do with the money for a long time/why it's too late to sell their shares now. He spent last week getting what clients he could out before this started to happen and our own investments were sold a month ago.

Anyone who knows is taking action to avoid getting hit. At the moment, this is what's driving most of the problem but nevertheless it's happening.

We look like total donkeys to the rest of the world.

We do

DH works in the London financial industry, a US company with links to other EU counties. The people in the know are literally speechless at what we've done.

What I find almost more frustrating than the referendum itself, is the fact it turns out it was only 'advisory'. Now, we can see what a financial disaster it is - so why go ahead and implement it?

I don't get how Theresa May, who was a Remainer, even needs to pledge to push Brexit through when 4% is not a clear mandate and many people, now they can see how moronic it was, would change their Leave vote?

Why don't we have a politician, somewhere, with the balls to insist it is taken to the Houses of Parliament and before it can be voted on, a General Election called (once both parties have new leaders in place)..?

It's so frustrating that the thing wasn't even binding yet they're spineless enough to act as if it is...

And Brexit doesn't mean Brexit.

It is not binding.

The thing is a disaster. So walk away from it.

joffrey Lammy has, very publicly, demanded this goes before parliament before someone hits the theoretical red button. I feel a bit like you, they have so so many outs including another referendum this time properly laid out but they seem scared. Scared they'll lose their jobs, scared of upswell as well as scared of how far we will get with the Eu now. Tbh I think they're all shell shocked

Totally, Joffrey. I still have a smidgeon of hope. Or maybe it's a panicked state of utter disbelief, with a peppering of denial.

NRTHT. The op said she ran her own business but only employed non UK people.

Isn't this the problem with the Remain side that they don't get that you can bring any number of jobs to the UK but if the companies do not employ UK residents then being in the EU is meaningless to a lot of people.

I think that the EU itself is not going to survive. Looking to the unrest about the EU in a lot of other countries I can see a lot of the countries voting out of the EU. Better to be the first out than the last.

Exactly, Joffrey. I can't understand why it is seen as a done deal and we should all just fasten our seatbulbs for a bumpy ride. Surely no one walks voluntarily into financial armageddon? And surely no PM wants to go down in history as the politician who sanctioned that?

Looking to the unrest about the EU in a lot of other countries I can see a lot of the countries voting out of the EU.

Do you actually read newspapers or follow the news in other EU countries? (As opposed to reading stories in UK papers.) There isn't anything close to majority support for leaving the EU in other countries. Even in Greece there is a large majority in favour of staying in the EU.

seatbelts

Yanbu. Agree more lies on the leave side. The fact that the 2 politicians responsible for this mess did not have a plan an pissed off speaks volumes too.
Few rocky weeks comment also speaks volumes

No intention to leave the EU in the Netherlands (where I live). The mood here is that the British are completely mad, but hey, if you are committing financial suicide, we'll take the jobs and economic boost flowing our way from the UK. What do ordinary citizens get out of it? Equal access to top levels of education (which is free - my son has been studying 6 languages since the age of 11). No NHS of course, so hefty health insurance but no waiting lists for doctors or hospitals. Everybody has to pay but tax rebates for the poorest. Skills shortages have nothing to do with the UK and everything to do with Tory policies. The NHS can't afford to train British nurses.

That's skills shortages have nothing to do with the EU….not quite nothing but Tory policies much more important.

As far as I am aware there wasn't any support for leaving the EU in the UK hence why Leaves winning was a huge shock. Except when I spoke to people and looked around at the issues that Remain side were not addressing I could see what was going to happen. I have friends spread across mainland Europe and from what I can gather the news reports don't match what a lot of the public think.

Don't actually read news papers but why do you believe foreign news print but say that UK news print is made up? If that is what you meant by calling our news "stories"

Speaking for Ireland, they are utterly aghast at what GB have done. And no, there's is absolutely no appetite to follow Britain's example. They think that's madness.

I'm wondering why being a top rate tax payer is supposed to be a guarantee of someone's intelligence and decision making.