Brexit rage

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What's happened in the last 10 days has really affected me. It's all I think about tbh and I feel so enraged at seeing the politicians lie to us so lavishly then bail on us so swiftly, yet I'm completely powerless to do anything. I marched, I wrote to my MP, I've signed petitions. I'm obviously one of the 48% who wanted to remain. I can't find fault with the 52% who voted to leave, it's not their fault. It's a democratic process, I understand that of course. Everyone's entitled to their view and it's not that I'm a sore loser. But the catastrophic fallout isn't what even the most hardline leave voter would have wished for, there's no Brexit plan, and the future looks very bleak. I was at a conference today and a Conservative MP and a Brussels Eurocrats both agreed a recession in the medium term is now inevitable. People around me seem to be getting on with things - I wish I could too - but I've been very tearful and sleepless and worried sick. I run a European business just out of start up phase, employing a handful of people who by chance are not British born and who are now very nervous themselves about the future. The more I read the more hopeless I feel with each passing resignation. AIBU to feel like this? Does anyone else feel the same? Am I going nuts?!! I feel very alone.

Like the OP, I am more than a little pissed off with the fucking lot of them.

Camerfool didn't have a plan B and ran away from the result after promising a vote. That alone has caused a huge amount of uncertainty and turmoil and is probably responsible for the gambling dens getting spooked.

Vote Leave didn't have a plan apart from negotiate. Mind you they were not expecting Camerfool to jack it in so fast. Then Gove came out the woodwork and knifed Boris in the back. More uncertainty.

Farrage has thrown his toys out the pram and paraded off... His experience in Europe could be useful in the negotiations..(I think?)

The Labour party is riven with infighting over Corbyn. I heard Dianne Abbot saying they need to be shooting at the Torys.. I rather think they need to be putting together a negotiating team to take part in whatever happens next instead of petty sniping.

Meanwhile the nasty element had decided they can be openly racist.

Then we have the lying Blair exposed via Chicott... (OK so no direct link to the referendum except his invasion of Iraq lead to IS and the refugee crisis that has added to the waves of refugees)...

Merkel... Oh I am sooo nice .. everyone who can walk through the rest of Europe can live in Germany... never thought about how fast a story can spread via Twitter and what that would do to the countries between Syria and Germany..

Junkers.., piss off you are not getting any recognition that the British people are actually upset..

I feel very let down by the entire political class.. Sad Wales lost last night..

The EU has a declining native born population.
If immigration stops then there will not be enough young people to prop up the Ponzi scheme that is state funded pensions.

I used to work in Customs Clearance at Dover. Anybody who thinks that anything other than free trade areas is a good thing needs to look at Africa to see how trade barriers trash economic growth.

I think that the big problem with the Chinese deal is whether or not they want to wait around for two years (or longer) while things are uncertain. France is making friendly noises to the financial sector. Frankfurt and Dublin also have their attractions. We better hope there weren't any Brexit clauses in the deals we made.

Depending on which paper you read Gove did not 'knife Boris in the back'. He saw Johnson was not going to fulfil the wishes of Brexiters, was not wholeheartedly up for Art 50 and so, being the steadfast ideologue he is, Gove stepped up to finish the job.

FWIW I think May will finish the (Brexit) job with aplomb.

THE Chinese think only of themselves.
THey will shaft any country that is no longer useful to them.
Small, weak, isolated countries are easy pickings for them.

The UK was the 5th largest economy in the world BECAUSE of the EU
the Financial services industry pays around 25% of all tax

if that goes then the UKs world ranking goes with it.

FWIW I think May will finish the (Brexit) job with aplomb.
There we can agree.
She is firmly for remain.
I hope she kills it stone dead.

imother imposing a federal state - a fascist ideal if ever there was one, given that a democratic vote in many countries would be against this.

The swivel-eyed Eurosceptic federal state facism rant - hurray, haven't seen that for a while.

Just a little flaw in your argument here….'the' EU is going to 'impose a federal state' given a 'democratic vote' would be against it. But that's it -- it's a DEMOCRACY. But if you don't turn up to vote (Nigel Farage: 747th out of 751MEPS for attendance) or engage in debate, how can British influence be felt?! The WTO - will British people have a say in those practices? Where environmental considerations are a 'trade barrier' or the removal of workers rights (including child labour) in a 'race to the bottom'?

The trade deficit thing…you don't think it is symptomatic of Britain's declining manufacturing and industry? Isn't that what that the government should be addressing? Isn't capacity an issue? (Just look at the Garden Bridge fiasco).

BREXITING will not solve the deep divisions in British society or improve welfare or quality of life for the majority of its population in any way. Many Tories (37% population voted for them) will be thrilled with this. More control (for them), less of that pesky democracy and accountability.

May most certainly is not truly a Remainer. You will see....

The UK was the 5th largest economy in the world BECAUSE of the EU
the Financial services industry pays around 25% of all tax

No, you cannot absolutely conclude that. You do not know what the UK economy would be based on and how successful or otherwise it would have been if we had never been part of the EU.

FWIW I voted remain but I am really confused by how the EU and our membership is being hero worshipped. The EU has significant problems, Greeks and defaulting, countries with poor economies and high unemployment at overall level a declining population (that shifting people around the continent won't solve and surely once we are out someone will point out is bad for them), the UK's place at the table is largely entirely ineffective anyway.

My personal opinion is that leaving was inevitable at some point because the EU as it is will not be around forever. I would prefer it to be at a point where we have a clearer rationale and plan, however.

May was pretty indifferent on it all, that's just what we need someone indecisive. She'd be the worst choice, so probably will get it.

She's already said people have voted and that vote must be respected.

Regardless of side it would be very damaging for a government to ignore how people vote.

basic the need to leave under a plan is one I've been harping about for ages. If we had done that there's a good likelihood the rest of the eu wouldn't be so pissed off with us too. People would have been more aware what they were voting on. The spread of MPs voting declaration would probably have been a lot different too. But what do we know? Or clegg or milliband or the electoral commission or any other the other so called idiots who realised a simple in out referendum would cause this sort of trouble.

No one is saying the EU does not have significant problems. Adding even more countries would cause it even greater problems. We're not in the Eurozone, we aren't in the Schengen area, we have (or rather, had), a very clear understanding that we were against 'greater political unity' that France and Germany bang on about, but where lots of other countries agree with Britain. If we want more influence, we need to turn up.

Hang on. Have we gone back to believing what politicians say? That didn't take long

StrictlyMumDancing ???

Hang on. Have we gone back to believing what politicians say? That didn't take long

Sorry. Was just all the what Theresa May says stuff combined with my Clegg/Milliband statement. Just had a wobble. I'd sort of hoped we would start holding our politicians to higher account regardless of which side of this debate you find yourself on.

I voted remain. Much as I am upset and angry, I am certainly not one of those who wants a second referendum or for the result to be somehow overturned. However, what bothers me is the many differing theories about what 'Brexit' actually means. As Theresa May said 'Brexit means Brexit' - but Gove is still maintaining he wants access to the single market but not the free movement of people that comes with it etc. Clearly it would be ridiculous for any 'Brexit deal' to have been negotiated before the vote and for the referendum to have been based on that..but I can't help feeling slightly scared if the vision of some Brexit voters doesn't come to fruition as they imagined it.

We are both top rate tax payers and voted Leave. Stop kidding yourself that all leave voters are dead end, uneducated idiots!! The only idiots I see are those bleating about their "children's lost futures" - get a grip. Bring your kids up to make their own futures.

I thought May though she supported Remain kept quiet as she could see the possible fall out and a chance for her

She said very little throughout the campaign I am not convinced she is pro remain

I can't help feeling slightly scared if the vision of some Brexit voters doesn't come to fruition as they imagined it.

I think that is a worry, yes.

I thought May though she supported Remain kept quiet as she could see the possible fall out and a chance for her

Yep, that is my reading of the situation also.

Who is saying that all leave voters are dead end, uneducated idiots? Not me. Although, if you do not see that 'top-rate taxpayers' have more choices in terms of determining their kids futures, or that BREXIT will affect the poorest in society most, I do wonder.

BREXIT will affect the poorest in society most, I do wonder.

Pure speculation. Stop it.

Stop kidding yourself that all leave voters are dead end, uneducated idiots!! I really want to see some of these voices on the TV. I suppose the media bias is such that in all of those 'Britain speaks about why it voted leave' programmes, these 'dead end, uneducated idiots' as you call them, tend to get the airtime. I would really really like to see that Panorama programme re-done with more middle class or educated voices. I realise that sounds a bit snobby but the programme did little to change the 'dead end, uneducated idiots' view and as a remain voter, even I know that what you say is true but we're not really hearing much from these people.

"Brexit means Brexit"

Wow, how meaningful.

Stop kidding yourself that all leave voters are dead end, uneducated idiots!!

A lot of the arguing on the Internet could be cut down if somebody would invent a Strawman emoji. Until then, I'll just have to content myself with this: