Brexit rage

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What's happened in the last 10 days has really affected me. It's all I think about tbh and I feel so enraged at seeing the politicians lie to us so lavishly then bail on us so swiftly, yet I'm completely powerless to do anything. I marched, I wrote to my MP, I've signed petitions. I'm obviously one of the 48% who wanted to remain. I can't find fault with the 52% who voted to leave, it's not their fault. It's a democratic process, I understand that of course. Everyone's entitled to their view and it's not that I'm a sore loser. But the catastrophic fallout isn't what even the most hardline leave voter would have wished for, there's no Brexit plan, and the future looks very bleak. I was at a conference today and a Conservative MP and a Brussels Eurocrats both agreed a recession in the medium term is now inevitable. People around me seem to be getting on with things - I wish I could too - but I've been very tearful and sleepless and worried sick. I run a European business just out of start up phase, employing a handful of people who by chance are not British born and who are now very nervous themselves about the future. The more I read the more hopeless I feel with each passing resignation. AIBU to feel like this? Does anyone else feel the same? Am I going nuts?!! I feel very alone.

shows its not brexit thats the issue, its the uncertainty
Christ.

As said, that's a loaded exchange rate because you weren't paying commission on it. Did you think the Post Office exchanged currency at the actual exchange rate? AKA at no profit?!

Has everyone forgotten that we would pay as much as we do now in trade tariffs to trade with the EU.

There is no magic £350 million to pay all the science, arts, education projects that have just lost their funding. Where is it going to come from?
There's an awful lot of what ifs here.

EU federalism does not mean dictatorship

I read about something similar in the local paper fell. He wasn't misquoted at all. At best he was saying they can't return to high powered jobs. Typical slimy politician.

I had to strongly resist the urge to lamp someone in the town centre who was blaming immigrants for waiting times for gps and hospital. I am in a lot of contact with the hospital as dd needs an operation. Took us 6 months to even see the surgeon, the reason being they are chronically understaffed. The number of patients coming through the system isn't rising enough to cause these delays. But they used to have staff. They finally recruited enough to deal with that but now there is theatre closures due and a massive waiting list. Dds op will be, if we are lucky, about 18m after referral.

Not sure whats more fascist than this?

Well fascism, for a start. Not sure what's fascist about a 'federal union of the peoples" - the clue is in the word 'union'.

Union is a good thing - people in political and trade union are less likely to go to war with each other.

Lets get this straight. We are not going to "suck it up". We are not going to stop being angry. We are not going to give up on getting the best possible outcome from this shitty situation.
And THAT is democracy - you cannot ignore the wishes of 48% of the population anymore than the 52% (who were lied to!).
If a general election produces a result which is clearly unsatisfactory, you can have another general election.
I don't castigate Leave voters as stupid or racist. In return, they should not tell me how to respond to this crap decision.

Bengal - totalitarianism?? You do realise that we vote in the EU, you have an MEP! It is not us and them - we are (at least for the moment) part of it! it makes me really sad that people have such a warped view and have voted on the basis of that.

from fullfacts - a non-partisan organisation
EU immigrants make up about 5% of English NHS staff and about 5% of the English population, according to the best available data. Across the UK, EU immigrants make up 10% of registered doctors and 4% of registered nurses. Immigrants from outside the EU make up larger proportions. Restrictions on non-EU immigrants have affected NHS recruitment, suggesting that the same could happen if there were limits on EU immigration. However, these restrictions did not trigger a process of existing healthcare workers fleeing the UK
so the NHS will not collapse because NHS employees from the EU and non-EU will still be admitted with a skills-based point system
as far as I can see both sides in the referendum were economical with the truth
the 'remain side'
WW3
interest rates will go up
financial armageddon
the NHS will collapse without immigrants (specifically EU when they would still be permitted under a points based system)
the 'leave side'
no-one with an ounce of common sense would believe all £350 mill would only go to the NHS - that would finance at least a hospital a week
they should have said £180 million net will go on infrastructure!

Bengal it's pretty straightforward. At the moment we pay a kind of EU club fee to be a member. This gets us a set at the table, EU trade deals, group negotiation powers, free movement of people etc.
We get most of that back in EU funding for Sciences, education projects, charity work, the arts etc.
If we join as an EEA then we will still have to pay a club fee- as do Norway and Switzerland. Except we won't get a seat at the table to make decisions, or the money back in the form of EU funding. But we will still have to accept the free movement of people to get preferential trade.
So it's like what we've got now, only shit and expensive.

The NHS argument really irritates me. No one ever points out that we need to train and retain more British born people. There is this weird acceptance that we 'need' foreign born HCPs.

The main advantage to Brexit is that we can agree free trade agreements with countries outside the EU. The EU is a barrier to world trade.

It will be a difficult few years, amused by 'recession' being too strong its only a downturn er yes that's what recession means......

Bengal, I suggest you shop around next time! I got Euros from Tesco on Wednesday 22nd June for 1.25. Checked the rate again last night and it's now 1.14 . Unfortunately I was hedging my bets and didn't get all the currency I needed, only £100. I would get £15 less if I bought today!

We are training UK nationals, just not enough of them. It's an expensive business these days to train. And now their pay has effectively been cut do you think those trainees are likely to stay in the UK. Australia and New Zealand are very actively trying to recruit them.

The NHS is at its lowest investment levels since the 1950s (due to the Tory government). It can't afford to train nurses. It already employs 150,000 migrants - doctors, nurses, care workers and there is likely to be an exit (brain drain) following BREXIT. Being in the EU does not stop us agreeing trade arrangements with countries outside the EU - where on earth did that come from!

citroen it's another one of those its just not that simple things. We can trade outside the eu and we can make trade deals, but there are some limits to what we can and can't do within those trade deals. We've only recently just signed a massively deal with China for instance.

Massive deal. Thanks auto correct

We are at a stage where we need to pay more taxes and stop bleating about whatbthe country can and can't afford. Low taxes and austerity quite simply does not match with Brexit. People trained in the UK and paid for need to have a contract that requires them to pay back the cost of training if they emigrate like we pay back student loans. It is not insurmountable.

China are using us as a jumping off point for easy trade in the rest of the EU. How long do you think that will last when we are no longer part of the EU?

China are using us as a jumping off point for easy trade in the rest of the EU. How long do you think that will last when we are no longer part of the EU?

If we retain free trade with the EU and are free to agree a trade deal with China it potentially could be a better arrangement for them not worse?

If.

"Federal union of the people" is not fascist!!