Brexit rage

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What's happened in the last 10 days has really affected me. It's all I think about tbh and I feel so enraged at seeing the politicians lie to us so lavishly then bail on us so swiftly, yet I'm completely powerless to do anything. I marched, I wrote to my MP, I've signed petitions. I'm obviously one of the 48% who wanted to remain. I can't find fault with the 52% who voted to leave, it's not their fault. It's a democratic process, I understand that of course. Everyone's entitled to their view and it's not that I'm a sore loser. But the catastrophic fallout isn't what even the most hardline leave voter would have wished for, there's no Brexit plan, and the future looks very bleak. I was at a conference today and a Conservative MP and a Brussels Eurocrats both agreed a recession in the medium term is now inevitable. People around me seem to be getting on with things - I wish I could too - but I've been very tearful and sleepless and worried sick. I run a European business just out of start up phase, employing a handful of people who by chance are not British born and who are now very nervous themselves about the future. The more I read the more hopeless I feel with each passing resignation. AIBU to feel like this? Does anyone else feel the same? Am I going nuts?!! I feel very alone.

No, Grumpy of course we are a brilliant nation.

We are very liberal, tolerant, welcoming wonderful country. We are a place that tries hard in so many areas to be accepting and of course we still have a way to go, things can always be improved but we are a leading light in the world, and have been for a long time.

We have much to be proud of.

Thing is we shouldn't have had to vote on this, or if we did either require compulsory votes for all or a clear majority. Anyway as it is I sincerely hope that uk n the end we stay. The damage we have done with this is already done. Let us do no more.

The Remain campaign was all about big business, bankers, political establishment, elites.

I'm sorry. I'm struggling to see how that is really any different to the Leave campaign!

We should remain thankful
we have been allowed such a vote as this

Yes I am very thankful that as a British citizen living in the EU LEGALLY I was denied my right to vote along with thousands of others yet I have to accept the result that has cost me thousands and thrown my career into disarray.

I agree cosmic, and how many shy liberals voted LEAVE?

Liberal common sense won the day. Thankfully.

Implying what Sooty? Typical. As stated Im not about to get into an argument with you, which you clearly want. I voted out, I have my reasons for this which are many. Im delighted that a new government has to form now and hopefully the EU will disband. It was bureaucracy gone mad. Stand alone countries that negotiate is now the way forward and thank god for that.

Though funnily enough, I moved here from another EU country, where again I lived in a comparatively poor area - but there they were actively trying to encourage immigration! Because, as has been said over and over again - these immigrants work hard and pay their way. So by trying to encourage them, it was likely to improve the overall economy.

Of course in the UK, we allowed immigration, and they paid their way, but we didn't use the money to improve services. So we did then have more people trying to use the services designed for fewer, so of course that was going to lead to problems. But that was the fault of government not investing the money in services, not because of immigration.

I have absolutely no faith that there will be any more investment in public services post Brexit either.

RED I think the poster means - the using of humans as a commodity for cheap labour, shuffling them across the EU to work for big business that only benefits BB and the banks.

I know some who voted leave, being in the older age group. I have been very surprised to find that Gransnet seems to have far more that are upset about leaving than Mumsnet when I would have assumed that on the whole they were younger with their children's futures to think about.
My DCs were utterly baffled too- I got texts like 'this is crazy'.
It is MN where you get all the abuse because you are supposed to shut up and stop moaning about the result. (I would if I had any confidence in the future)

Yabba no not really greed for me. My sector do a lot of good for people and I'm devastated it will reduce in the UK. I never really wanted to leave the UK but I will need to now. I don't want to live on benefits so I will move to another country to avoid that.

"We are very liberal, tolerant, welcoming wonderful country. We are a place that tries hard in so many areas to be accepting and of course we still have a way to go, things can always be improved but we are a leading light in the world, and have been for a long time. "

Doesn't the leave campaign's stance on stopping immigration rather give that the lie? The news today hasn't really supported the view that we are leading light in the world either. If we want this to be true, we need to do positive things to make it true, not rely on rhetoric. I don't think anyone outside this island is much convinced by it (try reading the European press, it is toe curlingly embarrassing to be British right now, tbh)

Because, as has been said over and over again - these immigrants work hard and pay their way

Yes but that is not the whole story is it and we know that in terms of community and harmony, it was not a positive thing to have sudden mass immigration. Goodness, Look at David Blunketts comments on Page Hall etc etc etc. It put normally civil open minded liberal welcoming people in a really tough position.

we are a leading light in the
world and have been for a long time.

I think you'll find that people don't judge us so favourably now.

Why would shy liberals vote leave? Your points about liberals and Neo-liberalism seem to be confused. The Tories are the Neo-liberals and May and Leadsome are the worst of the lot. I know traditionally the far left of the Labour Party had an issue with Federalism but those tend to be older Labour voters. That's not what my generation is about. We've grown up with the freedom and co-operation of the EU and we like it.

I'm not implying anything beetroot. I'm saying explicitly that the reason you're unprepared to engage in debate is that you aren't capable of producing any robust argument.

We're not a "brilliant nation". We are a group of individuals on one rock, next to lots of other individuals on a much larger rock. All these individuals are neither better nor worse than us. We would all be better if we worked together, learnt from each other, built things together. Cutting ourselves off makes us weaker economically, culturally and morally.

^ this - with bells on.

All will be good.It isn't in anyones interest to see the UK fail.Trade deals will be renegotiated and life will continue as nomal
People bang on about 'the free movement of labour' will continue and then in the next breath moan about their DC being denied the opportunity to work in the EU ?.

Grumpy I suppose I was more referring to leading religious leaders from many faiths proclaiming the UK as a liberal tolerant country to practice faith in. But not just that many other aspects of day to day life, we are leaders in.

Leave has never said it wants to "stop immigration". It wants to stop - un limited immigration from the EU. And have a much more balanced and sensible immigration intake from the Rest of the World.

sooty It's better to just report the GF. I am.

The effects are catastrophic in some places, e.g university research, medical research.
Places that have had lots of EU money, like Cornwall, seem to have a touching faith that they will still get it!!

Immigration from the EU was never unlimited anyway. That's a misconception.

Places that have had lots of EU money, like Cornwall, seem to have a touching faith that they will still get it!!

Yes I've read comments like that. That it was UK money that Cornwall was getting from the EU so they will still get it. I hope they do but I can't see it myself. Not with the budget deficit to plug etc...

what are these aspects? You know religious tolerance is also available in other countries... is in fact a protected right under the ECHR. Yes, back in the day when the UK was so important in writing that document, I can imagine being proud of that. But I can't be proud of a country where saying that no longer being a signatory is a vote winner (although again, that was a fundamental misunderstanding of the relationship between the EU and the ECHR).

You know we have more UK emigrants living in other EU countries than any other EU country does? It works (or worked) both ways.