Brexit rage

[holeinyourhead]

What's happened in the last 10 days has really affected me. It's all I think about tbh and I feel so enraged at seeing the politicians lie to us so lavishly then bail on us so swiftly, yet I'm completely powerless to do anything. I marched, I wrote to my MP, I've signed petitions. I'm obviously one of the 48% who wanted to remain. I can't find fault with the 52% who voted to leave, it's not their fault. It's a democratic process, I understand that of course. Everyone's entitled to their view and it's not that I'm a sore loser. But the catastrophic fallout isn't what even the most hardline leave voter would have wished for, there's no Brexit plan, and the future looks very bleak. I was at a conference today and a Conservative MP and a Brussels Eurocrats both agreed a recession in the medium term is now inevitable. People around me seem to be getting on with things - I wish I could too - but I've been very tearful and sleepless and worried sick. I run a European business just out of start up phase, employing a handful of people who by chance are not British born and who are now very nervous themselves about the future. The more I read the more hopeless I feel with each passing resignation. AIBU to feel like this? Does anyone else feel the same? Am I going nuts?!! I feel very alone.

Immigration from the EU was never unlimited anyway. That's a misconception

Are you Tony Blair

Following bengal metaphor this was my favourite pre ref one

“We have all been on a night out with that mate who when you are in a club says "it's shit here" let's go somewhere else.
“Then when you leave you realise he has no idea where to go and the place you left won't let you back in.
“Without a decent follow up plan, a leave vote could see the UK standing in a kebab shop arguing about whose fault it is.”
I do feel very much like we are in that kebab shop right now.

I don't think they have a hope crossroads3 but would like to be proved wrong. I can't see that farmers are going to fare well.

accepting the EU dictatorship.

Please can someone give me concrete examples of how the UK has been dictated to by the EU?

if you didn't either set up a business, or get a job, you couldn't just stay in the UK (and equally not in many other EU countries either). The right of a country to be able to withdraw the right to remain in that country from people who were not contributing financially was protected under EU law (it already was, before DC went to get his renegotiations). It had also been tested in the EU court, and the right of countries to withdraw the right had been upheld. This unlimited immigration idea was a complete red herring.

“Without a decent follow up plan, a leave vote could see the UK standing in a kebab shop arguing about whose fault it is.”

I like that one Strictly - very apt.

when your kids can't travel or work abroad

why on god's green earth would we not be able to travel abroad .If that is what you think, no wonder you are so angry!! And if free movement is a condiron imposed on us for trade deals, then your kids will be able to live and work in EU countries.The very worst thing that will happen is they have to apply for a Visa

Grumpy I think we are talking about cross purposes here.

The UK is widely known and praised for being a leading liberal nation who is years ahead in terms of womens rights, protecting and respecting our people who have LD, protecting dc and so on.

Yes, of course sadly we have much further to go, but we are progressing.
We are simply not all on the same page across the EU.

France is not known for its tolerance towards religion, we know Belgium has massive issues integrating those from different cultures and faiths and so on.

Thankfully Britain WAS better that just thinking in a narrow, short-term way about the economy. Thank God for that.

You can't fix stupid, can you?

IT has pretty much wiped out my husband's business already - can't be competitive on the exchange rate.

I think the EU will implode anyway.

strictly at that point we simply go home don't we? To our lovely beds.

I would, I wouldn't spend the rest of the night and the following morning in the kebab shop.

All goes to show why we shouldn't have been asked to vote, StrangeLookingParasite!

why does he buy his inputs from the USA and sell his product in the UK?

That question to Fresh Horizons

I really hope all these people with the rose tinted spectacles, who think Britain can do it so much better alone, are right!
However it doesn't bring me out of my pessimism.

I am not answering questions ect

Oh look. Another one.

No- but the pound is not good for imports from where he does import from.

France is not known for its tolerance towards religion

Oh yes, how are we not tolerant?

I am not answering questions ect.

I am telling you thats how I see it.

Lump it or leave it.

I was asking any poster to explain ways in which the EU has dictated to the UK, not just you bengal, though I must say that lump it or leave it is one of the best leavers' arguments I have seen yet.

Blowing - read Grumpy's answer. That and the fact that there are more Brits living in the EU outside the UK than EU nationals living in the UK means that I struggle to see this issue with immigration as anything other than thinly veiled racism.

Well blowing in my experience post kebab shop argument we then spend a long time attempting to get home via some means then have the next day or so then having to deal with the hangover before then dealing with fallouts that occurred with it. Some never recover, others return to normal and some always view the others with abject suspicion and never quite trust them again.