To wish Gordon brown would just return and lead

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He never really got a decent chance. He was one of the most successful Chancellors.

The deficit he ran up was much less than George and Dave have run up during times of "austerity".

He was responsible for many of the amazing welfare introductions such as tax credits that have helped loads of families out of poverty.

Robin can you link me to the trial and conviction please as I think I must have missed that?

Can't let that go - Brown increased his majority in Kirkcaldy in 2010 by about 5000, he didn't stand for election in 2015 when the SNP beat the labour guy.

if the answer is gove, Teresa or Jeremy -Gordon would be much better!

You do of course realise that Gordon is not a Tory and so can't really lead the Conservative party?

Wankers, wait until the Chilcott enquiry comes out in a couple of weeks. Then we'll see about Blair.

A big fat YES to Gordon Brown.

Blair has been hinting that he'd like to be involved in the Brexit negotiations. I hope that doesn't happen.

Pretty - as I understand it, the chilcott enquiry still isn't a personal war crime trial for Tony Blair, so regardless of the result describing, someone as a war criminal when they have not faced any charges is a bit previous. Innocent until proven guilt and all that. Or are we totally dispensing with the justice system now?

What the fuck?!!!!!!

describing Blair as a war criminal cheapens the term - I could get a lot more worked up about the war crimes of Islamic state.

If we're exhuming past Labour leaders, Clement Attlee was the most superb Labour Leader and we need someone to build a new Welfare State, because the bastards have trashed the one he and Bevan created.
< oh, you mean someone with a pulse ... >

Before anyone starts whinging about the gold sell-off, may I remind you that one of the reasons we are so reliant on the EU is that Mrs. Thatcher happily sold off our oil, our electricity, our telecommunications, our gas and our railways. They were snapped up by foreign investors.
Furthermore, instead of ploughing the money raised back into the State, as Norway did with their oil money, she spent it in tax breaks for the better off.

I'd also remind you that when the Proverbial hit the Global fan in 2008, Gordon Brown did his best to help sort it out. He had plans and recommended actions.
He did not, as Major apparently did, hide in the lavatory, as reported by members of his own Cabinet. Nor did he resign and go awol like Cameron did.

Like him or loathe him, he didn't discard his responsibilities when things got difficult.

Which treaty was it he tried to sign in secret by turning up late?

The Lisbon Treaty.

Tanith the actions of other people at different times do not negate the massive fuckwittery displayed by Gordon Brown in selling off the gold.

What a strange post.

The gold sell off was to prevent a global banking crisis, not just because he fancied a few extra quid.

www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5788dbac-7680-11e0-b05b-00144feabdc0.html#axzz4DE6VuYCB

and
www.mirror.co.uk/news/ampp3d/final-word-gordon-browns-gold-5614853

I don't think the gold sale is quite as straightforward as people make out. Reading these articles suggest it was a bit of a blunder but not the monumentally stupid error that wipes out every other thing he did it is often stated to be on here and elsewhere.

I certainly wish he was in charge now. He is infinitely better than the shower of shit the Tories have, and JC is destroying the party for his own ego. He has no mandate from his huge electorate, as someone stated. He is there to serve the poor of this country, not just LP members - many of whom only joined to vote for him anyway. How does that give him a never-ending mandate?

I met Gordon brown in the early 90s (1990 in fact) and he was devilishly attractive

Massive fan of Gordon brown here. I'd be very happy to have him as pm. He was a genuinely good person, handled the banking crisis admirably (we'd be in much worse shot now if he hadn't taken the action he did then) and he cared about children and the most vulnerable in our society which a labour PM should. That bigoted woman was a bigoted woman! I was always impressed he didn't say worse, I would have! And look at the lovely sweet kind way he went to apologise. He was an honourable man and sadly showed they don't fare well in modern politics.

I was thinking today, 'Thank god he and Darling were in power during the banking crisis and not Cameron and the rest'.

That was when we were 24 hours from ATM's being closed. Brown and Darling acted decisively and the USA followed their lead in how to deal with global financial meltdown.

And Tony Blair a war criminal? Read some history to find out what real war criminals did.

He also lead the world in the movement to wipe the burden of debt from some of the world's poorest countries.

He was also by far the most convincing and passionate labour figure during the referendum campaign.

I'd vote for him

I'd quite like Alistair Darling at the helm. Calm, intelligent and sensible seeming.

I really like Gordon Brown. I think he was an excellent Chancellor and he kept us in a better position then most countries during the global recession that started in America.

Whoever was in power when the GLOBAL recession occured would have got blamed for it. I think Brown and Blair were the best of a bad bunch of leaders we've had since... ever.

It's like that old saying, whoever you vote for the government always gets in.

GB was the sort of Prime Minister we are yet to appreciate.