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If a general election is called would you vote Lib Dem to stay in the EU?

308 replies

Rainbunny · 28/06/2016 21:49

If there is a general election the Lib Dems have stated they will run on a platform to keep the UK in the EU if they win. The Tories obviously won't do that and the Labour party can't really run on that platform I don't think since so many Labour voters voted to leave. I'm curious if the Lib Dems would attract a lot of support since they would effectively be turning the general election into a second referendum.

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PeaceOfWildThings · 29/06/2016 06:54

Mango Moon I would agree with you, were it not for the poor job both sides did in campaigning and informing the electorate on what exactly we were voting for!

CaptainBrickbeard · 29/06/2016 06:59

If they got enough votes to disregard this referendum, it would actually be the definition of democracy. Democracy is not limited to one vote, once. It's the process of always being able to speak, to protest, to campaign, to cast more votes and to be involved in the process of politics going forward. If the 'will of the people' was expressed again by supporting the Lib Dems on a Remain platform then it would be democratic to stay in the EU. A referendum is not the only tool of democracy and it would be undemocratic to announce that it was the end of the conversation and no one could oppose it.

WhirlwindHugs · 29/06/2016 07:03

I think yes. For all the reasons others have stated.

Devilishpyjamas · 29/06/2016 07:10

Yes - but I joined the Lib Dems after the last election anyway.

Tim Farron voted against tuition fees btw.

Sherborne · 29/06/2016 07:15

Yes
Lib Dems have always been pro UK in EU. It's not something they've just decided, and any announcement is just a reminder to those who didn't know. Unlike Labour and Torys, at least they knew /know exactly where they stand on the subject.

OneArt · 29/06/2016 07:16

If any party tried their hardest to inform the electorate what they were voting for, it was the Lib Dems. Look up their pre-referendum publicity. It's a shame that the voice of reason was shouted down by manipulative liars.

burdog · 29/06/2016 07:16

Yes

OneArt · 29/06/2016 07:17

I think it's time to put tuition fees behind us. This is too important.

Scribblegirl · 29/06/2016 07:17

Yes. But I would probably have voted Lib Dem before this.

Chrisinthemorning · 29/06/2016 07:20

Yes I would. I voted Tory last time.
My constituency is a swing seat between Tory and Labour so not sure what good it would do.
We need a GE IMO.

MessedUpWheelieBin · 29/06/2016 07:26

One Art isn't that a bit like saying you should put it behind you that a bloke's previously hit you, because now you're pregnant, can't pay the rent etc?

StandoutMop · 29/06/2016 07:28

Wrote and lost a massive post, but basically what CaptainBrick said. How is offering a policy to the electorate for them to decide on undemocratic?

Not sure it won't just prolong the agony and make uniting the country harder going forward, but nothing hypocritical or undemocratic about them choosing to do so.

AveEldon · 29/06/2016 07:28

no

MojitoMadame · 29/06/2016 07:29

Yes

whereonthestair · 29/06/2016 07:31

Not sure. Outing my location but I am in a labour/liberal democrat marginal and my labour mp is on record as saying he will vote with my constituency to stay in/rejoin.

Bambamrubblesmum · 29/06/2016 07:34

Yes and Yes (DH) from us.

Constitutionally they can overturn A50 if they have an elected government on that basis. Plus the referendum wasn't legally binding.

So another democratic process could cancel out the previous democratic process. There is light at the end of the tunnel.

Whatslovegottodo · 29/06/2016 07:37

Yes and I am lifelong labour voter.

peggyundercrackers · 29/06/2016 07:39

Never in a million years would I vote lib dem.

Glittershoes22 · 29/06/2016 07:40

Lol, The reason the Lib Dems got close to power before was because Nick Clegg was a credible politician with charisma to boot. He appealed to non lib dem voters. Farron has zero appeal/charisma and blatantly going against a referendum result is both hypocritical and undemocratic and quite frankly not what I thought the LDs stood for. But hey British politics is in complete disarray at the moment with every man for himself. I wish ALL the politicians would grow the hell up and do what is right for the country. Save us all!

PeteAndManu · 29/06/2016 08:29

Yes

cosmicglittergirl · 29/06/2016 08:49

The tuition fee affair was terrible, but Clegg apologised for that. And don't forget, it was Labour who introduced tuition fees in the first instance.

Talkingmouse · 29/06/2016 08:51

It is not undemocratic to have another vote (via a general election or more narrow referendum question).

Imagine today you tell your 3 kids we are going 'out' for the day tomorrow. You tell ds1 we will go to the park; you tell ds2 there will be £350 to spend on sweets at the shop; you tell ds3 we can take him and his friends to the zoo (but not those naughty boys Jean-Claude and Mohammed).

Tomorrow comes. It is pissing down with rain. You have received a big phone bill. Ds3 has fallen out with his friends. Your husband has gone out saying it is not his problem.

'Kids...shall we stay in?'

MangoMoon · 29/06/2016 08:57

so another democratic process could cancel out the previous democratic process. There is light at the end of the tunnel.

Light at the end of the tunnel for whom?

For these people, and others like them?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36258541

The very people who have been ignored by our elected representatives across all parties for years now; the very people who used their voice once they were actually permitted to be heard.

If your democracy is forcing through a vote over and over again until you get the result that you want, then it's not my idea of democracy.

The country voted to stay.
Only 30% of 18-24 yr olds bothered their arses to vote.
The people that felt strongly enough went out & did vote, and they chose to leave.

RaptorInaPorkPieHat · 29/06/2016 09:01

Yes.

But then I'm a lib dem voter anyway Grin

I only voted Labour last time because the Lib dems didn't field a viable candidate in our constituency.

Of course, I live in a Tory stronghold anyway so unlike last week, my vote won't actually count.

ThursdayLastWeek · 29/06/2016 09:04

Yes absolutely. But I always have, and am a party member.

I think it's quite a shrewd move by Farron.
I do think it's funny that to be seen as opportunistic is a detriment though - obviously a political party is going to try to win members and votes!
To be rigidly inflexible would be suicide.