unsure about the petition

[wishfulthink]

I voted to remain but I just don't know how I feel about the petition - it's a democracy and the voting is now done. The damage and hurt is already here, it won't go away if the petition is successful will it??

Not so much an AIBU as an is there any point? Please can someone explain it to me...

dowhatnow - If you believe that those signing the petition are mainly leave voters who regretted their decision and not just unhappy remain voters then fair enough but considering that many of the signatures aren't even from the UK then I seriously doubt that is the case.

I think that more and more leave voters will be regretting their decision as time goes on. But time will tell. It does have to be genuine leave regretters driving it though, otherwise I agree democracy rules.

On the stock market, the FTSE 250 is about where is was in feb, and the FTSE 100 where it was in May, so normal stock market movements.
GBP vs Euro is at a 5 year average and higher than 2013-2015.

I signed not because it would amount to anything but because the dissatisfaction should be well and truly registered.

FTSE 250 is about where is was in feb

You mean in February, the big fall due to announcing the Referendum? Pah.
£ way down against USD, compared to last 2.5 decades.

Livingtothefull

'Scotland offered the vote to 16 and 17 year olds …. what they do is their business' - fair enough though it seems illogical to me that Scots 16-17 year olds get to participate in this decision but not ours, even though this arguably concerns them the most as they have to live with the outcome for longest. I may have read this wrong but I took it to mean you were under the impression that Scottish 16/17y.o. were able to vote in the EU referendum whilst their English peers were not? This wasn't the case. Scottish independence ref & Scottish parliamentary elections only.

I also believe 16 & 17 year olds should have had a vote. They are old enough to work, pay taxes, marry, have kids, fight for their country and yet weren't allowed say in a decision which directly affects their future?

I work with high school kids and I was immensely proud of how well most of ours had informed themselves in readiness for voting in the last Scottish elections in May.
far more so than many of their supposed more knowledgeable elders!
This generation of young adults are far more savvy than many give them credit for.

If Brexit goes ahead ahead, by the time it happens those 16 & 17 year olds will be in their 20s (or even 30s depending on how long it is dragged out!) they deserved a say.

I signed it, mostly because it helped me feel slightly less powerless, partly because I feel if the petition makes it over 18 million then it should trigger a second referendum, partly because the wording is correct as per our standing legal agreement and partly because I found out the bloke who started it was a leave voter who set it up in advance when he thought remain would win, who is now having a big sulk that the remain voters have hijacked it and that makes me laugh.
I don't think it will do anything, but why not give it a go?

I don't think the petition should be able to overturn the result because people voted to leave and that's that really. I voted remain and don't agree with people who voted to leave, but it was their vote and their right to choose that option.

I would prefer to see a general election, not only that, I'd like the entire policitcal system changed. We fucked up massively on this issue and must not let anything like it happen again. I would like to see something resembling proportional representation, I'd also like to see more alliances between parties instead of rabbid left and rabbid right style thinking. I think each issue should be considered on its own merit in parliament and that MP's shouldn't be whipped. Politics is a dirty game and it needs cleaning up.

The referendum is advisory, not binding as with General Election results.

The whole thing is a fucking mess. MIllions have been wiped off the stock exchange. No-one is stepping forward with a plan. Boris and Gove have realised they are fucked what ever they do. The EU leaders have been most clear that they don't want us fucking about as the uncertainty has serious effects on the markets in other countries too. And now we have a huge amount of hateful racists acting up as they now think that half the UK agree with them. And Cameron has just run away when this was all his fault in the first place as an attempt to get more votes. This is not democracy. This is a load of unelected idiots and the media feeding bollocks to an electorate that have a genuine reason to be pissed off. But they have been LIED to again and again about the source of the problems and what can be done to resolve them. No one should be invoking Article 50. We need a General Election where the parties do their fucking jobs to put forward an actual plan and manifesto that can be voted on in a fair way.

We need a General Election where the parties do their fucking jobs to put forward an actual plan and manifesto that can be voted on in a fair way

And those that feel disenfranchised feel even more so.

I can't see how there cannot be a General Election?

Are we saying that the disenfranchised were likely to have voted Conservative in the last GE, that seems astonishingly unlikely.

I've been keeping an eye on the petition over the last 24 hours. There's something weird going on at the mo - it's racking up 1000s of signatures every few minutes. I suspect that it is now international
signatories using UK postcodes. There's an article about it on the Guardian website - eg 1000s of signatures logged from Vatican City. If that's the case it would be a crying shame - it may undermine/discredit the legitimate protest of the UK electorate.

77,000 signatures been taken off so far

"MIllions have been wiped off the stock exchange"

Not really. FTSE ended the week pretty much at the level it started it.

And also pretty much at the same level as the week before the referendum was even called.

The petition is being investigated for fraud

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36634407

I signed from overseas. Using a Canadian post code. I am a British citizen and entitled to vote. I hope my signature wasn't removed!

I signed from overseas. Using a Canadian post code. I am a British citizen and entitled to vote. I hope my signature wasn't removed!

I doubt it MrsTerry. They removed a lot of signatures but there are still implausibly many from North Korea and the Vatican City.

I signed from abroad too; they don't seem to have removed any signatures from my country.

I want t to see what will happen if the people who regret voting leave get a chance to vote again. If it's enough to sway the vote then the first vote is technically invalid.

also something to consider re fraud is that many people use VPNs and proxies. Not all those votes from other countries will be fraudulent

It seems 4Chan set the bots on the petition as a prank. There will be real signatories, obviously, but the question is, how many?

Said on the news here in the US tonight that they only think about 300,000 signatures are genuine.

Thing is if it taken into consideration and we go again and it's close again but other way round what then? Could the people who wanted to leave set up another petition when would it end?

Voted remain and am annoyed at the result but people were given the chance to chose and that's how it went. Could hardly seeing it not being a close vote.

Its either going to be ignored by parliament or you'll have some type of rerun and anyone who thinks other wise is awfully naive.

Now, if either side had ran decent campaigns and it was one with a larger percent it may have stood, as it stands its assured this is not going to stand.

Similar votes in other countries ran twice till voters came up with the Yes required having voted No only months previous. This is no different.