unsure about the petition

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I voted to remain but I just don't know how I feel about the petition - it's a democracy and the voting is now done. The damage and hurt is already here, it won't go away if the petition is successful will it??

Not so much an AIBU as an is there any point? Please can someone explain it to me...

I believe in Proportional Representation, and always have. SNP would not have won their ridiculous "landslide" and UKIP would have got an MP in the last general election. For me this is true democracy.

However, if you have an all-out vote, first past the post, you need to accept it, not find all kinds of reasons not too. Its not Scotland, its just old people, they're just "wrong" .

Though I felt strongly Leave, I truly would have accepted Remain with grace, I really believe that. I liked Boris's united speech, and if Cameron had done the same, I might have sortof disagreed with him, but I would have accepted it I hope in good spirit and moved forward. The Remains I have heard just sound bitter and twisted and strangely apolitical too.

Oops, I meant if you don't get the result you want you blame Scotland, old people, or just people being wrong i.e. not agreeing with you .

I hope we can all accept he result and move forward with unity in our lives.

truevoice whatever your personal view, it has indisputably emerged that key campaign promises (on NHS funding and immigration figures) were 'mistakes' or 'misunderstandings'. (What do you mean by 'consulated'?)

CreepyPasta what lies did the Remain campaign tell?

Mrs Arsey, I mean Blair just railroaded us into e.g. the Lisbon Treaty, our loss of sovereignty and border controls without ever even bothering to consult us. Literally never mentioned. Though gradually people woke up, and Farage was on the ball from the start, I believe, when most of us were sleeping. But to me it was like "don't tell the children, they won't understand, lets just push this through". There was a vote in 1975 true. But that was just a loose economic treaty. Not the kind of political unity that was pushed through without our consent in later decades. In the end it was becoming such a divisive political issue (you can't hide the truth for ever) that Cameron went down the road of the referendum. Thats all I'm tryna say.

I don't think that it's just about remainers stamping their feet and sulking. There are lots of leavers out there who regret their vote and/or feel that they were misled.

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That we would lose workers rights that were implemented by the ECHR. The ECHR has nothing to do with the EU. I think that was a pretty big scare tactic.

I voted remain.

*I doubt if remain had won the leave lot would have taken it the way we have.

Look at the demographic. There would have been riots and all sorts of threats and god knows what.*

Gosh all the tolerance and intelligent comments coming from the disgruntled Remainers just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Gosh aren't you lot playing with fire a bit then? I bet all the leave voters have skin heads and you lot want to overturn an election they won fair and square.

Everyone knows how violent poor people get, you may need to start building your bunkers now.

(Actually you won't, because this fucking ridiculous petition won't get more than a raised eyebrow from the government and you can all just sit there and watch the planet not collapse....well maybe the EU will but that's been a long time coming anyway)

It's ridiculous. The majority have spoken.

I don't agree with the result but tough. It'd cause even more hurt, upset and division to have a re vote.

If it had gone the other way we'd be taking the piss out the leave camp if they suggested this.

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Will people stop comparing this to losing at football! It's not the same at all.

The referendum was close. If it had gone the other way many of those who wanted to leave would now be signing a petition - let's be honest about that. If you truly believe a terrible mistake has been made and in particular if you feel your children's future will be massively negatively affected you're going to try and change things.

It won't happen, but I wonder how many signatures would be needed before it would be reasonable to accept that a second referendum was necessary?

But we can't just keep voting until we get the result we want.

We live in a democratic society, which I am grateful for.

The country is divided at the moment, if we ride roughshod over 52% of it fuck knows what will happen.

We lost. Fair and square. We need to deal with it.

Well I voted purely for my 1 year old daughter, not for myself and I think her future would be massively negatively affected if we remained in the EU! I am prepared to put her before myself and endure a possible short-term recession, for a future UK which is democratic and has much more control over immigration and is able to plan effectively with regards to public services.

It won't happen, but I wonder how many signatures would be needed before it would be reasonable to accept that a second referendum was necessary

Well I'd want to check that everyone that had signed it was actually eligible to vote for starters.

Bremainers are signing this....and they call Leavers stupid??

Over 18 million I'd say

We live in a democratic society, which I am grateful for.

Democracy only works if you get your own way apparently

Yes 18 million of the ppl who were eligible to vote in the referendum

It's a disgrace, it really is. If democracy is ignored.... I dread to think of the answer consequences

It won't happen, but I wonder how many signatures would be needed before it would be reasonable to accept that a second referendum was necessary? - personally I would say the original number who voted Remain + 10% to prove/justify the need for another referendum.

I voted Leave and am happy with the result BUT if we hadn't left then I would certainly have campaigned for another referendum at some point (probably in 5yrs or so) ..... the problem is that Remainers don't have the luxury of leaving it 5yrs, if they want to change it then they need to do it now. If you feel that strongly about something then by all means try and change it, I know I would. Is it undemocratic? I don't think so, they're not demanding the result be changed per se, they are asking to give the public another chance - if this were done then it would still be done in a democratic way.

I read on another thread it's kids, non UK citizens and people using multiple email addresses signing.

The information can be obtained as part of legal action by brexit voters. The EU does have the power to suspend any member state, under Article 7, if the state breaches any of the EU's principles. A principal is democracy. Brexiter voters can use the petition to get the UK kicked out of the EU if the petition blocks the democratic vote.

Well I'd want to check that everyone that had signed it was actually eligible to vote for starters.

I have mentioned this is another thread...

A lot of my eastern European friends on Facebook signing and sharing this petition, tagging family in it who aren't even in the uk etc.

Also a fair few of my nephews friends (all under 15) one even mentioning in his status to 'get signing you only need a random postcode and an email address'

NB:Not sure how true this is, I've never signed one.

You've got some disgruntled people out there who weren't eligible to vote.

So IF this petition was used as the basis of overturning a democratic decision I would want the signers to be gone through with a fine toothcomb.

So IF this petition was used as the basis of overturning a democratic decision I would want the signers to be gone through with a fine toothcomb.

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But the 'majority' didn't win 'fair and square'.

A significant proportion of that 52% regret their vote because they feel that they were misled. With such a narrow margin between the two outcomes and people feeling as they do, the overriding public opinion is no longer clear.

If the Leave support is as strong some people seemingly want to believe, a second referendum won't change anything and we'll accept defeat. But I'd bet my life's savings that as of right now, the 'majority' of the UK would vote Remain.

Politicians always mislead. Though how people couldn't see that Farage was a bullshitter is beyond me.

It's wrong to do another vote. It would cause serious problems in an already divided country.