unsure about the petition

[wishfulthink]

I voted to remain but I just don't know how I feel about the petition - it's a democracy and the voting is now done. The damage and hurt is already here, it won't go away if the petition is successful will it??

Not so much an AIBU as an is there any point? Please can someone explain it to me...

[DeloresJaneUmbridge]

I haven't signed it despite feeling strongly that we have made a mistake.

We undertook a referendum and the people have spoken. It is now up to our,Govt to sort it all out.

They may invoke Article 50 or they may decide not to. They don't seem in a hurry to do anything at the moment.

[JasperDamerel]

I haven't started fend the petition. I campaigned for Remain, and there was a huge turnout, and a slim majority decided to leave. I think they've fucked this country up for generations, and would love to be able to wave a magic wand and go back in time to persuade people to change their minds, but even worse than the UK being a disintegrating, failing state, would be one where election rests could be ignored. The people spoke, and we need to live with the consequences. And people need to think before they vote.

[Brokenbiscuit]

I am gutted about the result, and think we made the wrong decision. I'm very frightened for the future. However, I will not sign the petition.

I don't think we should ever have had the referendum in the first place, but having decided to go ahead with it, we absolutely must accept the result. Sometimes people get it wrong, but that's democracy.

[ApocalypseSlough]

truevoiceThey didn't raise these "issues" when they thought they were going to win.
They did! If someone swears blind that something is true- the £350 million or that government will make up the subsidies lost from the EU and you point out that they're lying and they continue to claim it what could the Remain campaign do? It's like if in a trial if someone is later found to have lied under oath the trial is invalid.

[JasperDamerel]

Election results, not rests.

[ApocalypseSlough]

BrokenBiscuit Sometimes people get it wrong, but that's democracy.
It's really not. Democracy is electing representatives to make decisions and laws which are then subject to checks and balances, not least the threat of not getting re elected. This was

[truevoice]

people did think before they voted, they just voted differently from you Jasper. Patronising, to say the lease?

[specialsubject]

the 72% of the young that voted to remain (and the 10% that didn't get off their arses) are extrapolations from a small survey.

the accurate figures are the turnout and the vote, and the vote splits across areas. All else is extrapolation from surveys.

[ApocalypseSlough]

true I really don't think people were informed enough. They may have thought but if they were misinformed and lied to, that surely diminishes the validity of the vote.

[Puzzledandpissedoff]

The unfair element of the demographics is that 73% of young people voted to remain

While that's true of the 18-25 age group, let's not forget that only 25% of them even bothered to vote

And though I respect the view of every single one of them (especially if their peers were muttering "nah, can't be bothered") remainers who claim the overall majority wasn't representative can hardly insist that the 73% "in vote" among young people was

[IAmTheWhoreOfBabylon]

I don't think it's right that England and Wales can drag Scotland and NI out of the EU
They should be able to stay but good luck with adopting the euro
What a fucking mess

[Shallishanti]

Agree with PPs that a narrow majority is not enough for such a fundamental change, 60% would be fairer
In our small city the university ward apparently voted 99% in favour of remain- amongst young adults I know (all degree educated) most are toying with emigrating. This is massively unfair to young people.
Interesting about the referendum commission in Ireland, that sounds a better way of going about things. Young adults now are feeling the way I felt when Thatcher was elected. But at least we had a regular chance to put that right.

[truevoice]

I wanted the status quo and it's been changed- the Brexit campaign was based on falsehoods Yes, its true, you didn't get the status quo, it was changed, thats something everyone has to live with, its called voting, democracy, change. My personal view is that Brexit was based on truth, not falsehoods. Tony Blair lied to us about EU, as did many other politicians, when they even bothered to consult us (most didn't). Not least Cameron with his return to UK with victory concessions from EC (that didn't exist).

[Hepzibar]

Over 2 million have signed it.

[Puzzledandpissedoff]

Breaakdown of voting demographics - government's own figures:

yougov.co.uk/news/2016/05/21/assessing-impact-turnout-eu-referendum/

[truevoice]

ShallishantI perhaps you could have raised this before "the vote". Or is this something you would only have raised when you lost? Bearing in mind the British populace have never been consulated *in any way) by governement s in the last 40 years re. growing political EU integration?

[truevoice]

I think Remain have been unnecessarily divisive in their reaction. Nasty too. If the coutnry had voted Remain, I honestly would have accepted it, albeit reluctantly, but I honestly would have. I don't agree with their views but I accept they have them.

[YourPerception]

You can claim to be anyone with any postcode and email for these petitions. Those signing won't all be of eligibility to vote either.

[Puzzledandpissedoff]

In our small city the university ward apparently voted 99% in favour of remain

That's incredibly high, shallishanti, but I do wonder what kind of turnout it's based on?

FWIW I understand the point about this affecting the young for longer - which is why it's even more surprising that so few of them bothered to vote

[CreepyPasta]

Both sides lied to get more votes.

If there was a second referendum which came out 52% remain, what would stop the 48% leave petitioning for yet another one based on the marginal win?? It would never end.

[truevoice]

I am old. Well middle aged. I care passionately about the younger generation and their future. How disgusting that Remain tried to pain me as a disgusting animal that should be put down, whilst proclaiming virtue solely for themselves. Ugly. Bizarre.

[2nds]

No to kids voting and no to this stupid petition. I'm a remainer but this petition just makes us look like sulky kids.

[peachpudding]

If there was another referendum those voters who didn't do their research (where is the proof of this?) will rush straight out to the library and start studying?

Second time around we will suddenly discover a chest full of the 'actual' facts that we missed this time around?

Bunch of sore losers wanting to subvert democracy!