I want people to tell me why they voted #leave

[AliceScarlett]

I'm feeling pretty shocked and scared right now.

Why did you vote for brexit?

Didn't say it would wis.

Just merely saying it would be nice if non-EU citizens were no longer discriminated against.

Statistically it was the older generations and the poorly educated who have voted us out of the EU

This is why you lost. That and shouting racist, racist, RACIST at every opportunity.

If you don't realise that then maybe it's YOU who needs to go back to school.

I have an MBA. How dare you assume I'm uneducated.

The blinkered "only a racist would vote leave" perspective has pushed leave voters underground, prevented them from saying what they think, and stood in the way of open discussion. I firmly believe that it contributed to the way the vote has gone. While the stay voters were sticking their fingers in their ears shouting "you're a racist & I'm not listening to you" the leave voters were thinking "you are wrong. How can I trust anything else you say?"

This, 1000 times.

because I think a points system like Australia would work well

You do know that the Australian system is designed in increase migration into Australia ?

And do you also know that the nationally funded scheme to ease the impact of immigration, set up by Gordon Brown, was scrapped by the current Tory government?

Immigration Impact Fund Scrapped by Stealth

MN had some part in my decision. I was undecided for a long time. I do have concerns about the level of immigration but whenever a poster came on to have a genuine discussion, the majority of the time it was met with "anybody who votes out is racist/xenophobic". It was not just MN, others I spoke to irl were the same. People were just unwilling to have a reasonable debate about my fears so in the end the only way I could get them across was by voting out.

Also, I'm a stubborn bitch. When the Chancellor said what he did about putting taxes up and Juncket made his announcement, they both came across to me as though they were threatening and intimidating.

I'm sorry but whatever you are, the statistics still show the majority of leavers were the elderly and the uneducated.

Still ignore the stats, shrug.

They truly believe that our country would be better off without them and that they're all work shy, lazy people coming over to our country solely to claim benefits. The scary thing is a lot of other people feel the exact same way and I'm sorry but that does make them racist at worst or at best rather ignorant.

The migrants (or are they actually ex-pats, here for a few years to work for the higher salaries than in their own countries?) I see around me are working bloody hard often in service jobs that UK citizens don't want, or aren't qualified to do.

I'm remain.

Anyone who is racist and using it as a way to express their views, whether out right or hidden behind other arguments may have shot themselves in the foot with the immigration thing.

There will still be immigration. There's a strong possibility it will swing towards more of the high class professionals (if a points basis) - probably mostly from India / Asia.

I also have a gcse. or two . what a stupid thing to say. I may not be educated to your "standards" education doesn't depict intelligence. However England made me proud where I sort of lost hope. So frigging made up we left.

Because when we joined the EU, it wasn't that big and all the EU members were on an even footing, all more or less contributing fairly.
Over the years more and more countries have joined, some of them extremely poor.
The original members are having to 'carry' the poorer members.

The system is now flawed, unfair, and works against us.

Why NOT Leave?

Where are these statistics that describe people as uneducated or poorly educated?

People were just unwilling to have a reasonable debate about my fears so in the end the only way I could get them across was by voting out.

There actually was a reasonable debate, if you read the broadsheet newspapers, listened to in-depth radio programmes (eg on BBC Radio 4), or read opinion pieces in news magazines such as the New Statesman.

There was a lot of information about the truth of migrant numbers, for example, and the levels of immigration from EU and non-EU countries; there is a lot of information around about the actual figures of money contributed into the system by new workers in the UK (immigrants) and the largest group of benefit recipients (age pensioners) or the ways in which some deprived areas of the UK have been revived by EU money (Cornwall, I'm looking at you).

You had to do your research. Maybe you didn't?

On radio four this morning.

So damn pleased, don't care really what anyone says, we're probably not out due to negotiations happening. but fuck, how great are we!

NOT EVERYONE WHO VOTED LEAVE IS A RACIST. FFS.

www.facebook.com/mrmartinlewis?fref=nf

I would recommend viewing the video Martin Lewis (of moneysavingexpert) has just put on his fb page. It's straightforward info, no scare mongering, no political leaning, just "this is where we are at, and this is what we can expect." It is very informative and helpful.

As a nonwhite/ english person who was born and brought up here, i voted out. Ive seen first hand the effects on the nhs service that i work in overburdened with grabbiness "i want this and i want it now. Yes the spot on my nose is an emergency situation (true story)" that seems to be largely voiced by eu and non eu citizens. And then they dont turn up for appts. Those who burden our 'free' services AND dont appreciate it, can leave. Plus my family wouldnt be able to emigrate to particular countries that have a points system so i dont see why it shouldnt be applied to all people wanting to come into this country. We should encourage skilled people in here that we are in need of.

Read a post up thread I have to respond to.
Hoping the fishing industries will come back.
They won't because there are problems with fish stocks.
The EU has been setting quotas too high, not too low.
Bluefin tuna in the Atlantic, for example. Scientists did the work and looked at population levels, breeding (ie recruitment of new fish into the population) etc etc. and worked out a sustainable catch was something like 15,000 tonnes. 10,000 if you want the population to grow and regain former levels. the authority then set the catch at 36,0000 tonnes. Guess what? The fish stocks continued to drop. The current catch quota has been dropped to 7,500 tonnes because the fish just aren't there.
If you want to continue fishing at the same levels, go ahead. But you'll drive the species towards extinction and your own trade into the ground.

"Why NOT Leave?"

I dunno, because the entire argument for leaving was based on lies? The £350million figure was bullshit. The immigration argument was bullshit? The regulation and democratic argument was bullshit. Cunting Farage has already been on TV and admitted as such.

The risks to our economy, our jobs, our environment, the rights and privileges we get from the EU that most people don't even know about and absolutely take for granted, the NHS, oh those are very real.

The voting demographics are shameful. The young have been fucked by a bunch of self-serving idiots who stand to suffer the least and won't live to see the mess the rest of the country will be left with.

Littlelion good thinking. Trying to look on the bright side, we have just moved our mortgage from a Spanish bank and got a 5 year fixed rate in case this came to pass. Got an excellent low rate too so when interest rates shoot up we can look forward to getting a return on our savings at last.

I hope the optimism of beetroot et al has good foundations.

MN had some part in my decision. I was undecided for a long time. I do have concerns about the level of immigration but whenever a poster came on to have a genuine discussion, the majority of the time it was met with "anybody who votes out is racist/xenophobic

Why did you want MN to help you make your mine up?

Why couldn't you have read many of the informative articles in respected publications?

Why couldn't you have followed the debates?

No, you don't like 'being bullied' and you're willing to risk the counties future because of that.

You've just reinforced my opinion that it was people who can't control their emotions, and people who are poor at critical thinking and understanding complex issues - who voted leave. Yes. The stupid people.

I'd like there to be an political general knowledge test where you have to get like, 80% of questions on the issue right for your vote to be valid.

I voted remain. The only positive thing I take from this result is that the population was motivated to get out and vote. But I don't believe this will bring the results that Leave voters want or expect. I don't believe it will substantially address immigration EU figures, and will do nothing at all to address the other 50% of immigration from outside the EU. There's going to be considerable red tape for those business and sectors who will still be as reliant on migrant workers as they are now. The economy could potentially destabalised for a considerable period whilst we renegotiate trade deals. I don't believe the UK gov will match the EU subsidies currently in place for sectors and deprived areas like Cornwall. And I certainly don't believe this makes the NHS any more secure.
Thankfully I don't have to tell myself that I was on the same side as Farage, Trump, Britain First, France's Front National and all the other far-right EU groups.

I have an MBA. How dare you assume I'm uneducated

Well done you. But that doesn't change the fact that those without A-levela and above are much more likely to vote leave. It just means you are a statistical outlier.

Yougov poll on demographics of voting here: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/22/eu-referendum-which-type-of-person-wants-to-leave-and-who-will-b/

Cameron just announced he will be stepping down by October.