or is anyone else feeling unsettled and just want today to be over

[Gowgirl]

Yes I have voted, but I am sick and tired of the unrest, I'm aware there has been a lot of discontent for a long time but its now feeling toxic and I want it to be over one way or the other.

Just voted nearly cried at the box as I can't believe the nation us even having this debate

snark - are you guys staying up all night?!?! I feel like I should, but I'm also trying to write a paper that I have to give next week (and struggling with very badly) so I am probably going to end up going to bed because I do need to focus and have a good day of writing tomorrow. But I know that what will actually happen is that I will wake up all night long to check my phone.

cakey - wow, fascinating insight into the power play north of the border. Interesting the way that the dominant position of English politics is used as a foil like that. And fascinating about the Scottish 'leave' vote as a way of calling the bluff of Salmond and co. I don't know enough about it, but would some nationalists might pay the price of the Euro and Schengen if it meant getting rid of the English!!?

It is a 50:50 split for my first generation Irish relatives you sure you're not talking "shite" there

Tis always possible Adult

A lot of the Brexit Irish family members worked in various traditional British industries over the years and are extremely angry about losing them to other countries over the years. I find their position very idealistic tbh. Who can say if Britain never joined the EU whether this would have happened anyway? They rarely have any reasons to Brexit that are not anger based from what Facebook tells me. The Bremainers are a little of the fatalistic side too though. All in all it has been extremely negative.

cakeycakeface your post about the Scottish Referendum really resonated with me and your experience echos mine. I suppose it was a good campaign if you were on the "right" side.

I've lived up in Scotland for nearly 20 years and I love it but 've never felt so uncomfortable or unwelcome as I did during IndyRef.

Capricorn, that is a disgusting thing to say, and the sort of statement that led to this threads existence

I live in Scotland and I will never forget the referendum. Deeply troubling.

I was a No voter. The No signs round here were all defaced with awful words my children had to see.

My dh also felt angry that the Nationalists had taken his flag and the right to be patriotic whilst also being outward looking and sensible.

The Yes campaign was levied as this utopian ideal. Well I hope they ate their words and nonsense when the economic experts were proved right with oil prices.

So I voted Remain. Primarily because I believe it's right and sensible but also because I won't risk the SNP, whom I loathe, to gain any foothold in unsettling Scotland again.

Cakey - completely agree with your post. I too live in Scotland and it was such a divisive time. Could barely sleep on the evening of the vote. DH woke up at 4am and tv was immediately switched on. The sense of relief in the morning was tremendous.

As a Scot, I can verify everything cakeymccakeface says - it almost exactly described my experience (except for the red hair thing - thankfully never heard that one! I feel it had a huge effect on me and I feel less Scottish as a result. 2 years on, where I live, people still have Yes posters in their windows. If there's a Remain vote I hope that that will at least put the indyref thing to bed for a while in Scotland and people will start to get on with their lives.

There are always people on both sides who will vote for what I would percieve to be less "noble" reasons than others - but I know what it feels like to be judged for not voting the "right" way, so I won't judge anyone for not voting the same way as me in this referendum. There are people on both sides who are voting with the best of intentions.

I don't know enough about it, but would some nationalists might pay the price of the Euro and Schengen if it meant getting rid of the English!!?

Yes, shove. They'd be happy to not even be a part of the EU.

Jim Sillars is a former leader of the SNP, very vocal, and said he'd leave Scotland if Scotland voted No in the Indyref. Well, he didn't, but he strongly advocated voting to Leave Europe in this referendum. (I suspect because he wants the UK to Leave because it will probably trigger a referendum).

But he also stated Scots should have no loyalty to Europe at all, because Europe did not support SNP position during Indy-ref (as per my previous post).

What is interesting to me though, is Sillars clearly believed the EU when they said an independent Scotland would have to join as any new country would (as I did). However Salmond dismissed that from the EU as "scaremongering". SNP are clearly hoping to re-run the same arguments because they almost worked the last time.

Why is it disgusting to say that immigrants who have a problem with other immigrants can always leave? If they have a problem with too many people being in the country they willingly immigrated to they can help alleviate the problem and leave.

I personally don't see immigration as an issue. There are good and bad immigrants just like British born people. Immigration has helped enrich this country culturally and financially. Immigrants who complain about 'too many immigrants' are the disgusting ones not me. Most of the time these complainers are not really even complaining about immigrants, their issue is British born Muslims.

I do not think it is legal to be posting that polling data by the way.

Polish IQ is as high as English IQ. I am not sure how anyone can advise otherwise - bright, lovely people.

Capricorn you know full well that that wasn't the disgusting part of your post.

Suggesting that another race or cultural group is intellectually inferior to yours is a step away from racial supremacy.

I can't believe that I have to spell that out in the UK in 2016.

I interpreted Capricorns post in the same way, but upon re-reading, I think they are saying that it's the ones who are voting brexit that have a lower iq. Which is still pretty insulting, but not xenophobic.

I think it's pretty obvious she was referring to the two Polish friends a previous poster referred to. Not the entire Polish population.

on second reading that became clear squoosh, but not if you'd just skimmed that part of the thread then skidded to a halt at that bit. oops!

Ah, my bad - apologies.

I have disagreed with friends and family, but we argue because we care. We are all just trying to do our best. It is good to listen, debate, argue and we shouldn't never be ashamed of feel guilty about it.

I voted to remain because the arguments (for me) were compelling. That said, I can really understand and respect the arguments and concerns of the out campaign. What we need now is no gloating but a real resolve to try and address the concerns that people have. I sincerely hope that if we vote to remain that our government do not dismiss the concerns but try to find solutions. Please.

I apologise if I read that wrong!

all round I think!

I lived through Scottish indyref and it wasn't pleasant for me. It did teach me to detach somewhat and reinforced the value of that dull old advice such as being polite and not talking (too much) about contentious issues with friends and family.

Cakey well my kids went into School where (some) staff wore Yes badges and many of the kids did too. One of my kids has an English accent, and one a Scottish one. Guess who got the most bullying and shite for weeks (and still does). And not just from the kids.

Scotland is not a racist place. But, against the English, it's fair game for historical reasons apparently. Sanctioned far and wide. Head of an Edinburgh Museum recently called the Police over carousing in bar below his flat. English accent. First thing Police Scotland ask him: 'and where are you from, laddie?' . Faculty of Advocates is stuffed full of it. One or two of the Universities too. Yet, Glasgow is a friendly place. Edinburgh has quite a lot of English. The central belt is okay. Dundee I am very fond of - no bad experiences there. But, out in the boondocks, it can be really really nasty. Please note, I am not saying all Scots are anti-English. But there is a nasty undercurrent thats felt increasingly legitimised over the last few years. And the IndyRef sanctioned that, and then some.

My latest cut and paste:

Polls close in Brexit referendum

YouGov on-the-day poll gives Remain the lead with 52 percent.

C'mon Brexitwatsiers
Come and tell us you're not all minority wrong racist uneducated misunderstood patriots