To be worried that the Brexiteers might be wrong and an economic disaster is waiting if we leave?

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What if we wake up on Friday out of the EU, probably nothing immediately other than some soul searching by the remainders. But what about in the months to come? What if all the economists and world leaders were right? We could be heading down the swanny big time, companies moving to the EU proper, jobs going left right and centre, deficit increasing because of lost revenues (taxes, vat etc).

I've listened to the fervent Brexiteers who have dismissed everything put to them as propaganda and yet they still haven't come up with a plan to counter the 'what if' scenarios. Am I the only one to be worried that nobody has a plan B if the economy does slow down to tune of 1.4%to 6% as predicted bearing in mind that a reduction of just 0.4% would counteract any saving to be made on what we contribute to the EU?

nearlyhellokitty I have not seen ONE person deny or ignore those facts, why would they? what difference does it make? The fact is she was brutally murdered by an individual who clearly has mental health issues, her murder has NOTHING to do with the Leave campaign - is that what you are insinuating?

milly OH you mean those pesky experts like the IMF? I mean you follow Mr Gove and his attack on experts and focus on the small percentage of economists and the wetherspoons beer mat that agree with you?

Neil Woodford's investment funds doesn't actually invest in funds that would be impacted by Brexit, . as they mention on their website, since they don't' invest in UK type things it seems. So it's pretty easy for him to say.

this really reminds me of the climate debate = people still thinking that there's actually a scientific debate that man made emissions cause climate change despite 99% of scientists agreeing because the odd scientist runs around making a lot of noise about a hockey stick graph. Because they don't want to believe it since it doesn't match what they think is happening. And it's a bl**dy crisis. Funnily enough UKIP is full of climate deniers/ those opposed to action on this topic like Roger Helmer.

semi I've seen a lot of people downplay this. It upset me that you brought it up in that way.

nearlyhellokitty and it has upset me that many people from the Remain campaign have used it to vilify anyone who supports the Leave campaign, hence my comment. Personally I don't think my comment was nasty and will not be apologising for it if that is what you're looking for. I think we should just agree to disagree because we're derailing the thread here.

nearlyhellokitty and milly The attack on 'experts', and on researched, validated, peer-reviewed work/knowledge-based information has been, IMO, one of the worst aspects of this 'debate'.

semi, re-read the post hello is responding to. She's reducing research and years of acquired expertise to a pub conversation. That is a worrying act of equivalence.

Sorry, I did mis-read semi's post.

ask yourself: who will be in charge if we leave - for the next four years the austerity loving immigrant hating tory right ..that is the biggest worry. UKIP will be smiling.

in charge the tories who want to bash the nhs [the fact that savings from EU "could" fund nhs does not mean they will...] and benefits for disabled etc... if all the east europeans and others from within EU who are young and happy to work for low wages living ten to a house leave then working for your benefits whether you disabled, caring for your children/family etc will be more not less likely.

leaving under the conservative govt will not magic up tonnes of social housing because that is not their policy.

nearlyhellokitty

'Jo Cox was killed by a man who introduced himself in court as “Death to traitors, freedom for Britain." and who will be tried under terrorism protocols. i'm horrified that people from Leave keep trying to ignore this.'

And it was just announced that a British man tried to kill Donald Trump, what exactly is your point here?

There is hateful rhetoric on both sides.

People who base their decision on what they read on a fucking beermat are the reason we shouldn't be holding this referendum in the first place.

I'm so angry at Cameron et al for promising this, probably arrogantly believing he'd win easily, putting us all at risk and creating divisions among people just to win back a few votes from UKIP.

A vote for brexit doesn't mean you support the house of lords. Plenty would like to get rid of it, but we are not talking about them.

Was that in response to me, Sandrabedminster? If so, you spectacularly missed my point!

mama my point was to another poster who brought Jo Cox up in a way I didn't appreciate. Mainly because a lot of people have been spending a lot of time on twitter pretending somehow that there is absolutely no connection to anything. I mean, how can there not be? How can a murder of an MP in that way not be political? I don't know what Donald Trump has to do with it apart from possibly showing that everyone needs to be more respectful.

Plus really I have seen most hate from Leave. Patronising twats from Remain maybe but hate from Leave, see my other posts with the people with a remain button getting punched.

semi and mamamea I haven't seen any Remainers use Jo Cox' death in a nasty way. What I have seen is people rightly pointing out that it's dangerous when demagogues like Farage use populist rhetoric and scare mongering tactics to deliberately whip vulnerable people into a rage. If you tell people often and loudly enough that "they" are out to steal our country, our jobs, our services and that we must "take our country back!" there is always a risk that someone who is already unstable will snap and take it literally. Of course the man who killed Jo Cox had mental health problems, but he didn't live in a bubble and his actions didn't come out of nowhere.

It's ok Boris will apologise if that happens

nearly my post took forever to post (bad connection) but I completely agree with you!

pug have you seen this petition? Looks like you're not alone in feeling that this decision is too momentous to be decided in a referendum and that this is why we elect governments.
Petition to cancel referendum

Be careful of contempt laws everyone. He has been charged.

Theories on why Jo dies can prejudicial to the case

If the vast majority of global financial commentators are predicting negative economic consequences for the UK upon leaving the EU, and those who want to leave dismiss these simply as scaremongering rather than providing solid arguments as to why they are wrong then that tells you something.

Also the majority of those campaigning for an out decision are not in a position to follow throw with promises such as spending £325m a week extra on the NHS. The remain campaign are intent on ignoring that this is the gross figure that the UK gives the EU each week, so even if they were in a position to carry out this promise, they would have to cut spending drastically in a number of other areas.

My main worries for an out vote, is what happens to the Union. I'm in NI and much of the peace process is made a whole lot easier because of the EU. There are some unionist who are in favour of an out vote because they think it will make us closer to the UK and further away from Ireland. But, in all honesty all I see the UK leading to is an independent Scotland and a greater push towards a united Ireland emerging, and the chances of the latter happening peacefully are slim to none. Scared for my children barely even covers it.

I forgot to add I truly believe that the root of the UK's problems lie with the UK government and not the EU.

Girl nations survive outside the EU I think you need to ask yourself why you think we can't? Is this true? Or do you think its EU propaganda?

Can you tell me what the EU will look like 10 years time? Do you think its a stable and successful place/organisation? Because I do not.

I see chaos, utter chaos in every way. And financial disaster too.

My main worries for an out vote, is what happens to the Union. I'm in NI and much of the peace process is made a whole lot easier because of the EU. There are some unionist who are in favour of an out vote because they think it will make us closer to the UK and further away from Ireland. But, in all honesty all I see the UK leading to is an independent Scotland and a greater push towards a united Ireland emerging, and the chances of the latter happening peacefully are slim to none. Scared for my children barely even covers it.

Not in NI, but this scares me too. I have friends who work across the border. People in England didn't live with the troubles or have otherwise forgotten what happened. The EU has been such a stabilising force for the UK and NI. Its probably one of the main reasons to stay for me.

Pug

one reason I am voting out is due to people like you who want to deny the general public the vote.

this is also the sort of attitude I feel is in Brussels, they know whats best for us.

Ie the same attitudes of Stalin, Mao and Hitler. This is why the people, must retain their power, their vote must mean something.

As for divisions, unfortunately its the uncontrolled immigration that has driven this nation apart. Another reason I vote out, is to hope it calms things down. And bring us back to where we were pre blair 2000's.

Those saying its a stabilizing force, have you ever spoken to people who have been affected by immigration? ;listened to their stories and all the very different ways their lives have been adversely affected? Or anyone who wants to vote leave for so many different reasons>

I suggest you have not, or if you have you have dismissed their experience as rubbish or claimed they simply read it in the DM. Because I have and I know there are so many angry people out there. Its frightening, I don't know what will happen on the streets of the UK if we remain, too many people have had enough.

Nobel prize laureates would disagree with you Iamslave - nice handle by the way. And as the Blackrock guy Rupert Harrison put it :
Rupert Harrison ‏@rbrharrison 10m10 minutes ago
Rupert Harrison Retweeted John Van Reenen
This really is an impressive list of signatories - doubt you could get them all to agree about anything else!
John Van Reenen
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Why economic arguments for #Remain are overwhelming bit.ly/28KmTjK 12 Nobel laureates in Telegraph today