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Help! Builder threatening small claims court over additional invoice

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FasterThanASnakeAndAMongoose · 17/06/2016 23:38

I've posted about this before, but long story short is that we had major building work done. It massively overran (3 months became 8). We paid all invoices straight away. We agreed some extras and paid separate invoices for these as soon as they were issued. Paid the final invoice the day that we got the completion certificate from Building Control.

Several weeks after completion the builder sent a new invoice for £1600. It was for various extras. None of them had been discussed or quoted for. We weren't happy but offered around £400. We thought this was fair and it covered items which although not agreed, had been done and weren't in the original spec.

The rest of the things he was invoicing for were either stand alone items already specified in previous invoices and paid for, or things which were included in larger aspects of the work.

For example, he wanted over £500 extra for moving drainage in the kitchen. He'd got drawings of the new kitchen, saw the old one (so knew that the sink etc had moved) and the new kitchen was waiting on site before he quoted.

Anyway, we offered him a full and final settlement of just over £600. He rejected it, we offered it again.

He's just emailed. He's rejecting our offer and says if we don't pay the full amount within 21 days he'll take us to small claims.

What now? How likely is this to get to court? Home insurance legal cover people won't advise us until we receive the court paperwork.

Every time we've responded it's then taken him at least 4 weeks to get back to us. This is so stressful and horrible. Any advice would be welcome.

If we do end up in small claims, what's it actually like?

Should we retract our offer now and tell him we'll await instruction, or leave it on the table, or pay him what we think is fair?

Help.

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4men1lady · 03/01/2017 22:40

Hope you get the result you deserve. Fingers crossed!!

ChanandlerBongsNeighbour · 03/01/2017 22:44

Oh OP I read the thread feeling sure I'd get to a happy update from you at the end, especially after all this time!! Can't believe it's still hanging on! From the sounds of it though you have a really strong case to blow this chancer out of the water! All the best!

downwardfacingdog · 03/01/2017 23:01

Good luck OP

Maxwellthecat · 03/01/2017 23:09

Good luck!!

CatsRidingRollercoasters · 03/01/2017 23:21

Thank you everyone! I'll be sure to let you know how it goes. It's reassuring to hear it shouldn't be too formal - not a judge in a wig type affair!

I'm planning on hand delivering all the paperwork to the court - or I could just post it recorded, not sure.

We need to send it all to the builder too, not that he'll bother sending his stuff to us. So far he hasn't sent us copies of anything he's supposed to. We don't know how many witnesses he's intending to bring, as he didn't send us his directions questionnaire. It's so annoying - we have done what we're supposed to to the letter, and he has got away with not bothering.

nickelbabeinamanger · 03/01/2017 23:38

Definitely put stuff in your own words.
Are you allowed to mention stuff you've noticed since he.left?

CatsRidingRollercoasters · 03/01/2017 23:53

I'm not sure - I was thinking that there's no harm in mentioning it - they can always ignore it. One of the things he's put in his new particulars is that the work was to a high standard. Irrelevant point, and also not true!

crazywriter · 06/01/2017 05:45

Definitely include that in then. As you say the court can ignore it. I'd also include a point that you've received nothing from the builder despite swing him your information. I'm sorry this still has a few weeks to go until it's solved!

limitedperiodonly · 06/01/2017 08:58

You poor thing. This sounds exactly like what happened to us when we were taken to county court. I have to go to work now but am marking my place.

I can't predict what will happen to you but I can say that after all the terrible stress, we won. Fingers crossed that happens for you.

My feeling is that if someone delays and messes around as much she did to us and he's doing to you, their case is shaky. If someone is sure of their facts and the justification of their claim, they don't muck about, they just file it, get their money and move on. Try to hold on to that thought. Good luck

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 06/01/2017 09:11

It's so annoying - we have done what we're supposed to to the letter, and he has got away with not bothering.

I'd suspect that if made aware this would be used in an assessment of the builders character and reliability.

CatsRidingRollercoasters · 06/01/2017 12:31

Hand delivered our bundle of stuff to the court this morning, and also hand delivered a copy to the builder. I took photos of the envelope in my hand and posting through his door.

As I drove off his wife was peering out of the window beaming at me which was slightly disconcerting Hmm

ArmfulOfRoses · 06/01/2017 12:39

Bloody hell I remember reading this when you first posted, sorry to see it's still rumbling on.
Best of luck to you op!

AlpacaPicnic · 06/01/2017 12:46

Oh crumbs... maybe his wife was beaming at you because she's fed up of him and is glad that someones not putting up with his bullshit?!

Anyway, just sneakily place-marking to wish you best of luck and we are all cheer leading for you!

Team Mumsnet.... go!

WhisperingLoudly · 06/01/2017 12:49

Good luck - I've been in a similar situation and it's just so stressful.

YelloDraw · 06/01/2017 13:01

Good luck!

CaliNative · 06/01/2017 14:57

Just a small thought (although I realise you have already filed/ served the paperwork) - is it worth checking the last invoice you paid after receipt of the completion certificate? It may note that it was a "final" invoice or have some confirmation or imply that payment of that invoice would be full and final payment for the works carried out.

So sorry you are going through this!! Flowers

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 06/01/2017 16:06

maybe his wife was beaming at you because she's fed up of him and is glad that someones not putting up with his bullshit?!

Or maybe she thought OP was posting cash Grin

CatsRidingRollercoasters · 06/01/2017 22:40

GrinGrin She'll have been bitterly disappointed if that's what she thought!! It was very bizarre though. As soon as I'd posted it through I sprinted back to the car and drove straight off, so I'm fairly sure she wouldn't have had time to see what it was by that point.

CatsRidingRollercoasters · 06/01/2017 22:41

Just thought - what if she's a mumsnetter?! Shock Grin

Scarydinosaurs · 06/01/2017 23:04

I was so hoping for a happy ending for you.

I guess there is a chance he just won't show up in court??

ChasedByBees · 06/01/2017 23:40

Fingers crossed for you OP. I'm annoyed on your behalf! Did you mention the theft of the Copper?

DoraDunn · 07/01/2017 00:08

We've been through the small claims track albeit from the other side and it was very straightforward. I was very stressed but in the end we won easily partly due to his fumbled incoherent defence.
The best advice I was given re my statement was not to waffle and to make clear, concise and succinct points.
Good luck.

Suzysuz · 07/01/2017 03:04

Cats sorry if you've mentioned it already, but I'd be sure to take 2-3 builders/plumbers written views/quotes on the cost of rectifying the overflow/pipe issue he caused. I know you said you wouldn't put it right as would involve taking tiles back off but the judge should also factor in these costs, it also evidences that the work wasn't quite as first class as he's claiming...

CatsRidingRollercoasters · 09/01/2017 18:42

The sorry saga continues! Today is the day by which both parties were supposed to have collated witness statements and all the paperwork they intend to refer to in court, and filed them with the court AND served them on the other party. It's 14 days before the hearing.

I hand delivered our bundle to the court and the builder on Friday. Have we received anything from him? Take a wild guess...

What would you do now? Yet again, he hasn't followed due process and as a result has put us at a disadvantage.

I'm thinking letter to him and the court first thing in the morning to point this out and ask them to take it into consideration? Ask what the process is when a party breaches every order?

Peeved.

Somedays · 09/01/2017 19:04

If he hasn't filed and served his evidence on time, he needs relief from sanctions in order to be able to give evidence at court - in other words he needs the court's permission to rely on his witness statement/give oral evidence. If he doesn't get relief, he has no evidence to support his claim and youncould ask that his claim be struck out at the final hearing.

First, I wouldn't mention a word to him, but write a letter to the court making it clear you have not had service of his documents on time, which will go on the court file ahead of your hearing. If you want to know what criteria he needs for an application for relief check out the "Civil Procedure Rules" part 3.9. Available free if you google.