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Help! Builder threatening small claims court over additional invoice

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FasterThanASnakeAndAMongoose · 17/06/2016 23:38

I've posted about this before, but long story short is that we had major building work done. It massively overran (3 months became 8). We paid all invoices straight away. We agreed some extras and paid separate invoices for these as soon as they were issued. Paid the final invoice the day that we got the completion certificate from Building Control.

Several weeks after completion the builder sent a new invoice for £1600. It was for various extras. None of them had been discussed or quoted for. We weren't happy but offered around £400. We thought this was fair and it covered items which although not agreed, had been done and weren't in the original spec.

The rest of the things he was invoicing for were either stand alone items already specified in previous invoices and paid for, or things which were included in larger aspects of the work.

For example, he wanted over £500 extra for moving drainage in the kitchen. He'd got drawings of the new kitchen, saw the old one (so knew that the sink etc had moved) and the new kitchen was waiting on site before he quoted.

Anyway, we offered him a full and final settlement of just over £600. He rejected it, we offered it again.

He's just emailed. He's rejecting our offer and says if we don't pay the full amount within 21 days he'll take us to small claims.

What now? How likely is this to get to court? Home insurance legal cover people won't advise us until we receive the court paperwork.

Every time we've responded it's then taken him at least 4 weeks to get back to us. This is so stressful and horrible. Any advice would be welcome.

If we do end up in small claims, what's it actually like?

Should we retract our offer now and tell him we'll await instruction, or leave it on the table, or pay him what we think is fair?

Help.

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jingscrivvens · 23/01/2017 12:38

Fantastic! Only found this thread today and am so happy you won. Champagne! Wine

LagunaBubbles · 23/01/2017 12:38

Fantastic!!!

mikeyssister · 23/01/2017 12:41

Faantastic, can't wait for the update.

Enjoy your lunch

bumbleymummy · 23/01/2017 12:43

Brilliant! Well done :)

msrisotto · 23/01/2017 12:48

What a fool he is! I'm glad common sense prevailed op and am looking forward to your update.

madcapcat · 23/01/2017 12:48

Brilliant news! Enjoy that lunch :-)

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 23/01/2017 13:11

Of course you won :)

Now, where's that update?

RaspberryOverloadTheFirst · 23/01/2017 13:13

Good news, looking forward to the update.

Hope you have a really nice lunch Thanks

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 23/01/2017 13:18

Placemarking again! I can't manage the excitement!

Littledrummergirl · 23/01/2017 13:28

Well done. Wine

BoboBunnyH0p · 23/01/2017 13:51

Fantastic news.

Thingvellir · 23/01/2017 14:20

I only found this thread today so not lived through the months with you, but I've read the whole thing and very impatient for your update too OP! Glad justice prevailed for you

this is not a placemarker

miraclebabyplease · 23/01/2017 14:28

Great news!

Icouldbeknitting · 23/01/2017 14:58

I'm so pleased for you, I hope your lunch out was spectacular. I will wait and see whether he turned up or not.

CatsRidingRollercoasters · 23/01/2017 15:31

Well!

CatsRidingRollercoasters · 23/01/2017 15:32

I am so blinkin' excited...

jcne · 23/01/2017 15:49

I would wait for him to send his court paperwork before you refuse to pay him any money at all. If it does go to court and the court decides that you should pay £400 or £600, might that be registered as a CCJ against you and entirely screw up your credit rating for years to come

no - CCJ only if you were unsuccessful in small claims and then still didn't pay what he/they ask you to pay

CatsRidingRollercoasters · 23/01/2017 15:49

We got there nice and early, builder rushed in with 5 mins to spare.

It was a proper court room. We had to sit in a row and speak through microphones.

The builder brought his dad, bit weird Hmm

The judge was awesome. She started off by telling the builder (let's call him Eejitchops) that she had his letter which she presumed was in place of his witness statement, and that was all she had. Where were all his supporting documents and was there a reason he had failed to serve them to the court? She said he was fortunate that the defendants were so organised and had submitted comprehensive paperwork, without which she'd strike him straight out. He gabbled an apology.

Then she explained the proceedings and explained that the onus was on him to prove his case, and that she had to be convinced

And basically it went on like this. We were really clear and organised at explaining ourselves and referring to our documents laid out on the table. He mumbled and gabbled and made no sense.

At times he interrupted and she told him off. Every now and then his dad muttered and at one point blurted out "RUBBISH!" when DH said that the plumbers didn't know how to install something.

At the end the judge summed up and said she was convinced that DH and I had been extremely fair and as such she wasn't going to order us to pay any costs, even though we'd admitted and paid part of the claim.

She also gave him a lecture on following procedures properly if he ever found himself in court again.

At the end he and his dad practically ran out. I on the other hand went into work mode (teacher) and tucked all the chairs in. I swear the judge twinkled at me Grin

Then we went for a cheeky pint of fancy cider and then had a nice walk, then steak house. Lovely lunch!

Then we came home and DH went for a nap. I was going to have a nap but then I discovered that there's a new series of Call the Midwife on iplayer.

And the DC are having tea at the childminder's and we don't need much dinner because of all the steak, so no cooking tonight.

So all in all, can this day get any better?!?! Grin

Thank you all so much for your lovely comments, help and good wishes. Not a viper in sight. Huge, unmumsnetty hugs all around!!

middlings · 23/01/2017 15:52

Hurray!

Love that judge. Good work Cats and CatsDH and I hope Eejitchops considers this his comeuppance!

whatsthecomingoverthehill · 23/01/2017 16:02

Well done Cats! So what did you end up paying in the end?

CatsRidingRollercoasters · 23/01/2017 16:06

£284.95 - bit less than the £1590 plus £385 court fees!!

DontOpenDeadInside · 23/01/2017 16:18

Hi, I've followed this but not replied before. I'm so glad you won! I'm unfamiliar with court proceedings, does this means he has to pay the court costs? Is he worse off at all?

SleepingCitySidewalk · 23/01/2017 16:19

Hurrah!

Well done particularly tucking the chairs in Star

Trottersindependenttraders · 23/01/2017 16:19

Well done Cats, I have lurked on this since finding the thread a couple of weeks ago. Fabulous outcome.

whatsthecomingoverthehill · 23/01/2017 16:24

So rather than accept the overly generous £600 you offered he's ended up paying £100 (net). Maybe that'll make him think twice if there's a next time.