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Help! Builder threatening small claims court over additional invoice

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FasterThanASnakeAndAMongoose · 17/06/2016 23:38

I've posted about this before, but long story short is that we had major building work done. It massively overran (3 months became 8). We paid all invoices straight away. We agreed some extras and paid separate invoices for these as soon as they were issued. Paid the final invoice the day that we got the completion certificate from Building Control.

Several weeks after completion the builder sent a new invoice for £1600. It was for various extras. None of them had been discussed or quoted for. We weren't happy but offered around £400. We thought this was fair and it covered items which although not agreed, had been done and weren't in the original spec.

The rest of the things he was invoicing for were either stand alone items already specified in previous invoices and paid for, or things which were included in larger aspects of the work.

For example, he wanted over £500 extra for moving drainage in the kitchen. He'd got drawings of the new kitchen, saw the old one (so knew that the sink etc had moved) and the new kitchen was waiting on site before he quoted.

Anyway, we offered him a full and final settlement of just over £600. He rejected it, we offered it again.

He's just emailed. He's rejecting our offer and says if we don't pay the full amount within 21 days he'll take us to small claims.

What now? How likely is this to get to court? Home insurance legal cover people won't advise us until we receive the court paperwork.

Every time we've responded it's then taken him at least 4 weeks to get back to us. This is so stressful and horrible. Any advice would be welcome.

If we do end up in small claims, what's it actually like?

Should we retract our offer now and tell him we'll await instruction, or leave it on the table, or pay him what we think is fair?

Help.

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UterusUterusGhali · 25/10/2016 19:40

Oh gawd!

I've been lurking since your first post!
Hope it works out ok!

FasterThanASnakeAndAMongoose · 25/10/2016 19:50

I know, how bloody ridiculous?!

On the plus side, when I asked about whether he could appeal (assuming it is struck out) the woman said that he'd have to have a very, very good reason. So if he's been on holiday or something, that probably wouldn't be a good enough reason.

She also said that he can't bring the same claim again.

Sod it, I'm having a cava anyway!

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FasterThanASnakeAndAMongoose · 25/10/2016 19:52

AND I'm jazzing it up with some creme de cassis!

Here's to never having any building work done ever again!

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acatcalledjohn · 25/10/2016 20:22

How annoying, especially as they would have known that when you phoned on Friday.

I think you deserve wine for the frustration of it all.

crazywriter · 28/10/2016 01:23

Oh bloody hell I thought you'd be getting some good news today. A 14 day backlog is ridiculous!

I second the advice of not submitting anything to Trading Standards u till you definitely hear that this is over. It may never make it to court but better you don't have more to explain. Once it's done, make your complaint with the legal backing (I'm presuming you win).

FasterThanASnakeAndAMongoose · 02/11/2016 21:18

Rang the court today, apparently he's sent some kind of letter in. Needless to say he didn't send it to us!

We've emailed the court (and copied him in) to say that as he didn't serve us with full particulars by the deadline we'd like confirmation that the claim has been struck out.

Hmmm.

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redexpat · 02/11/2016 21:42

Fingers crossed for you.

MonsterMaskettiBall · 02/11/2016 21:57

What an arsehole! You sound like an absolute saint. I so hope this gets sorted before Christmas.

NoFucksImAQueen · 02/11/2016 22:19

How have I only just found this thread.
Love you for updating op
Keeping my fingers crossed he gets ta fuck soon Flowers

Blandings · 02/11/2016 23:25

Countersue for the copper pipe if he takes you to the small claims - that's what we did with the kitchen fitter. If he provides no documentary evidence to the contrary then you'll win that.

I haven't read the whole thread but the ones I did read were right about it's all about what they can provide. If the original contract and any subsequent amendments do not include the items he is claiming for then you should be okay.

When going to court, you need to copy and send any paperwork/evidence in advance so keep every email, correspondence etc.

Blandings · 02/11/2016 23:29

PS Just read the later ones and see that it is stayed. It doesn't mean that this is the end of it. This happened to us as I pointed out that he hadn't complied with the requirements ie providing documentation in advance. But he can still submit another claim or this will be extended. I'd reiterate the point about countersuing - you will still have time.

FasterThanASnakeAndAMongoose · 11/11/2016 21:06

ARGH!!

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FasterThanASnakeAndAMongoose · 11/11/2016 21:10

We emailed the court (and cc'ed) the builder over a week ago to confirm that he hadn't served the detailed particulars by the 20th October deadline, and asked for confirmation that the claim would therefore be struck out. No reply, although the automated reply from the court said to allow 15 working days. Builder could have replied though Hmm

Anyway, today we've had a letter with a court date in January. We have to send witness statements and all documents we plan to use in our defence of the claim 2 weeks before.

Except we haven't even received the specific details of his claim, as he never bothered to send them to us.

Oh FFS. I'm so sick of this. How f dare he?

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blackdoggie100 · 11/11/2016 22:05

A builder verbally quoted for a job which was to rip out a bedroom floor and remove old joists and lots of rubble. Quoted £1200. However invoice sent was not as discussed and agreed and is now £1800. He quoted for renewing the floor which was too expensive at £1800 and so I have employed another company. The onset is the quote has been turned around to £1800 for the first part and £1200 for the second part of laying the floor. I offered to pay for the quoted amount of £1200 which he refuses and now threatens court action. Very stressful

MassDebate · 12/11/2016 08:51

Worth calling the court again Faster, as sometimes these letters are sent out automatically even though the claim is no longer active. How frustrating for you though.

Headofthehive55 · 12/11/2016 09:23

We once took a landlord to court for unpaid bond at end of our tenancy.

I think some people try it on. We worked out that he only had to have one couple in ten not claim through small claims for their bond back for him to break even on the system. I think that's why he did it.

It was satisfying to sit in a small room with a judge, (judge was in normal clothes) and explain our case. Landlord didn't have a leg to stand on actually, even though he'd made a counter claim on us for evidently spurious reasons.

Landlord even shook hands with us outside court. He said he didn't know why we'd made a fuss for so little money. I think it was just business for him. Good luck.

crazywriter · 29/11/2016 03:47

I missed this update but was thinking about you. Have you called the court to find out his particulars since he hasn't sent them to you?

CatsRidingRollercoasters · 03/01/2017 21:42

Hello! Sorry for the lack of update. He did file additional particulars with the court but he didn't bother sending them to us. The court forwarded them on to us in December. The court date is 23rd Jan Sad

Does anyone know anything about witness statements? The builder has named dh as the sole defendant so I am a witness. We've written dh's witness statement and now need to write mine. Can I just say that I agree with everything in DH's? It seems pointless repeating everything.

CatsRidingRollercoasters · 03/01/2017 21:43

It's me by the way - having a bit of a loss of password, January reinvention thing Grin

VivienneWestwoodsKnickers · 03/01/2017 21:45

I'd write it in your own words, as if you are asked questions, you will want to answer them your way, not using the same language as your husband.

I'm sorry he's pulling this.

norkmonster · 03/01/2017 21:51

Did the first order state that he was to serve and file a copy of the amended Particulars (ie did it say that he had to send it to you as well as the court) and in default the case was to be struck out? If so, I would suggest that you deal with that aspect first - that the case is struck out because of his failure to send any amended Particulars to you. You should also have an opportunity to file and serve an amended defence (if you so desire).

CatsRidingRollercoasters · 03/01/2017 21:59

We did raise it with the court that he didn't send his amended particulars to us, but we had a notice to say that in the event that he didn't, he is relieved from sanctions because he sent them to the court (just) in time. Grrr.

We were told we could ask to delay it so that we can send an amended defence, but we just want it done. There wasn't anything unexpected in his particulars.

I actually hate him :(

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 03/01/2017 22:24

I've come to this late but wanted to tell you that I have won three times at the small claims court and really it's not at all alarming. You all sit at a table and the judge wears ordinary clothes, and the whole atmosphere is calm and unpretentious. Each time I'd written out my position and sent it in, and the judge asked us each to put our case briefly, then asked a few questions. You do not need a solicitor. It can even work against you. One of my opponents in court brought his DP, a solicitor, with him. She tried to impress the judge and totally misjudged her audience. When she stood up and pointed at me in her best courtroom manner, the judge, in an icy voice, asked "Where exactly do you think you are?" Being pompous or overly legalistic is likely to backfire. Telling the truth in simple language should win your case. These judges see dodgy businessmen all the time. They may even have experience of your guy. Fear not.

GiantHulkHands · 03/01/2017 22:31

Good luck OP, fingers crossed it's a positive result for you.

MrsRonBurgundy · 03/01/2017 22:40

Good luck OP - it sounds like a nightmare situation! Well done for not backing down to him though

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