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Help! Builder threatening small claims court over additional invoice

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FasterThanASnakeAndAMongoose · 17/06/2016 23:38

I've posted about this before, but long story short is that we had major building work done. It massively overran (3 months became 8). We paid all invoices straight away. We agreed some extras and paid separate invoices for these as soon as they were issued. Paid the final invoice the day that we got the completion certificate from Building Control.

Several weeks after completion the builder sent a new invoice for £1600. It was for various extras. None of them had been discussed or quoted for. We weren't happy but offered around £400. We thought this was fair and it covered items which although not agreed, had been done and weren't in the original spec.

The rest of the things he was invoicing for were either stand alone items already specified in previous invoices and paid for, or things which were included in larger aspects of the work.

For example, he wanted over £500 extra for moving drainage in the kitchen. He'd got drawings of the new kitchen, saw the old one (so knew that the sink etc had moved) and the new kitchen was waiting on site before he quoted.

Anyway, we offered him a full and final settlement of just over £600. He rejected it, we offered it again.

He's just emailed. He's rejecting our offer and says if we don't pay the full amount within 21 days he'll take us to small claims.

What now? How likely is this to get to court? Home insurance legal cover people won't advise us until we receive the court paperwork.

Every time we've responded it's then taken him at least 4 weeks to get back to us. This is so stressful and horrible. Any advice would be welcome.

If we do end up in small claims, what's it actually like?

Should we retract our offer now and tell him we'll await instruction, or leave it on the table, or pay him what we think is fair?

Help.

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Mortgagedilemma · 20/10/2016 19:28

Fingers crossed!!

mysistersimone · 21/10/2016 10:09

Any updates today? Seriously hoping the builder didn't meet the deadline

acatcalledjohn · 21/10/2016 12:12

Been following your thread for a while. Here's to hoping he has not met the deadline!

Some builders are awful. We had one round to quote for work, who on arrival bad mouthed the neighbour over the road to us for supposedly owing him money. My guess is that it is a dispute similar to yours. He didn't quote in the end, but even if he had he wouldn't have gotten the job.

CurlySusanFox · 21/10/2016 12:21

I'm also wishing OP has the outcome we all want for her Wink

ChathamDockyard · 21/10/2016 12:42

Have you heard from the court?

Sorry for being nosy Blush

AlpacaPicnic · 21/10/2016 13:07

Fingers and toes crossed!!!

Fatmanbuttsam · 21/10/2016 13:40

I wonder where you are and if you used the same builder as we did - project massively over ran, shoddy work, doubled the price of the final invoice , several trips to court where not only did we not get copies of his paperwork, he also complained that we only gave them to him on the date specified by court and so that made him late submitting a response....you couldn't make it up....so we are now awaiting our third court date to find out what might happen. I wouldn't mind except that it will cost us more to put right the faults than we apparently 'owe' him....

In some ways I wish we never started the project as it's been hanging over our heads for over a year now....

FasterThanASnakeAndAMongoose · 21/10/2016 15:16

Hello hello! Well, I rang the court first thing but they wouldn't discuss it with me because dh is the named defendant.

I just called again and managed to speak to someone else who didn't care that I wasn't dh and was happy to chat to me.

Basically, they have no record on the system of anything coming from the builder since the case was stayed. He did say though that something might have come and it might not be on the system yet. They date stamp post on receipt.

So I have to ring again on Tuesday afternoon as they should know by then.

OH MY DAYS! Looking good though!!

I'll be sure to update, never fear. I might also tell you about the horrors of the builder we had prior to this one who walked off site when we refused to let them increase their quoted price by nearly 50% Hmm We had an 8 month old baby and no kitchen or bathroom for nearly 9 months Angry

Or I could tell you about the plumber who didn't protect any pipes so they all corroded.

Or the electrician who would only discuss things with my husband...

Or the other electrician who smoked constantly outside my open kitchen door...

And Wine

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Benedikte2 · 21/10/2016 15:38

Do you subscribe to Which? They would advise you and are interested in hearing about rogue builders. Also there's a members website with reviews about local tradesman who can be trusted. Really good value and the magazines are full of valuable info re gods and services

mysistersimone · 21/10/2016 15:49

Blimey you've been through the mill with shit workmen. I hope you've had your lifetimes allocation of crap now

FasterThanASnakeAndAMongoose · 21/10/2016 18:48

I've used Which before but not for finding tradespeople. I really should have! I'll definitely contact them to report all the crappy people we've used.

fatmanbuttsam that does sound familiar! Which area are you? Feel free to pm me.

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AlpacaPicnic · 22/10/2016 10:36

Flowers for being a good poster and updating! I really really hope he's just not bothered.

charlestonchaplin · 22/10/2016 10:41

Bet you haven't had a builder's assistant weeping near your back door.

Good luck. Tradesmen can be a trial even when their work is good but the ones with wives and girlfriends on Mumsnet are exceptionally conscientious and honest. Apparently.

FasterThanASnakeAndAMongoose · 22/10/2016 13:44

Thank you for the Flowers Alpaca!

charleston yes, amazing isn't it?! You're going to have to tell us the story of the builder's assistant weeping near your back door!

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WaitrosePigeon · 22/10/2016 14:02

Looks like he's fucked off then, well done OP Wine

nemno · 22/10/2016 14:26

Thank you for this thread Faster. I am 6 weeks into our works and having read this I have been sending weekly emails re progress and extra costs to my builder and insisting he responds (weekly billing means he does ! ). I have a lovely paper trail now thanks to you.

I really hope this is over for you now.

charlestonchaplin · 22/10/2016 15:58

I meant weeing! It's a sordid little tale but I'm sure you get the general idea.

scaryclown · 22/10/2016 16:09

I would write down everyitem you are unhappy with, work that is substandard and every item of work conducted without express permisiion, submit an invoice for making good the unspecified work, stating clearly that ss he has demobsteated his untrustwoethiness, you will nor be contracting him to do so.
submit your claim to small claims online and write that you will be making a formal complaint to trading standards and will publicise the complaint.

Go to local press too. Fuck him.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/10/2016 16:51

So it seems he's one more cowboy who thinks he'll get a bit more undeserved cash by threatening court action; doubtless it works enough times for it to be worth his while, but that doesn't stop him being a tosser

I'd suggest putting reviews everywhere you can, but doubt there's much point frankly ... he'll probably have changed the company name by next week Hmm

FasterThanASnakeAndAMongoose · 22/10/2016 19:01

Thank you again everyone. I can't tell you how reassuring it is to get unanimous support on here. Our RL friends too have all been flabbergasted when we've told them what's been happening.

Despite this though, we have occasionally wondered whether he's somehow got a point. Why would he go to all this effort if he didn't really believe he was in the right?

I think that what's happened is that this was a much, much bigger scale job than he's done before and he was completely out of his depth. He quoted on behalf of some of his tradespeople and underestimated the work. Rather than take the hit for that himself, he's tried to pass it on to us. Obviously he should have brought them round before quoting, but he didn't. Sure he's learned his lesson - but not our problem!

It's a shame how it's turned out as we kept an amicable relationship throughout the whole thing, and turned a blind eye to some very annoying things to keep the peace. We even bought him a crate of beer and wine when we paid the final invoice right before Christmas. We had no idea he was planning to shaft us.

Lots of lessons learned! I will report him to Trading Standards, and all his tradespeople. I'll let you know what the court say on Tuesday!

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scaryclown · 22/10/2016 19:28

good work. well done. if ts think it was reasonable of him to misquote, overcharge, add work unrequested then charge...so be it! But well done for taking a stand.

mysistersimone · 25/10/2016 08:35

Hoping you have a successful chat with the court today

acatcalledjohn · 25/10/2016 08:44

With regards to reporting the guy, wait until the court situation is behind you. If it does by some misplaced miracle end up in a court room then the last thing you need is having to defend your negative comments of him...by name that is. The anonymity of MN is a Godsend at times!

Fingers crossed though the twatbag hasn't submitted.

Do you have a bottle chilled and ready?

FasterThanASnakeAndAMongoose · 25/10/2016 19:04

Argh! Mixed news. I rang them this afternoon and there's still nothing showing on the system, BUT there's a post backlog of 10-14 days!

The fizz is staying in the fridge for the time being. 14 days will be 3rd November.

Fingers crossed...

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mysistersimone · 25/10/2016 19:19

Bloody hell that's ridiculous! 10 days delay for post?? My God, the amount of stress that must be causing people.

Meh, I was hoping you would have your answer. I'm waiting with you in spirit