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Help! Builder threatening small claims court over additional invoice

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FasterThanASnakeAndAMongoose · 17/06/2016 23:38

I've posted about this before, but long story short is that we had major building work done. It massively overran (3 months became 8). We paid all invoices straight away. We agreed some extras and paid separate invoices for these as soon as they were issued. Paid the final invoice the day that we got the completion certificate from Building Control.

Several weeks after completion the builder sent a new invoice for £1600. It was for various extras. None of them had been discussed or quoted for. We weren't happy but offered around £400. We thought this was fair and it covered items which although not agreed, had been done and weren't in the original spec.

The rest of the things he was invoicing for were either stand alone items already specified in previous invoices and paid for, or things which were included in larger aspects of the work.

For example, he wanted over £500 extra for moving drainage in the kitchen. He'd got drawings of the new kitchen, saw the old one (so knew that the sink etc had moved) and the new kitchen was waiting on site before he quoted.

Anyway, we offered him a full and final settlement of just over £600. He rejected it, we offered it again.

He's just emailed. He's rejecting our offer and says if we don't pay the full amount within 21 days he'll take us to small claims.

What now? How likely is this to get to court? Home insurance legal cover people won't advise us until we receive the court paperwork.

Every time we've responded it's then taken him at least 4 weeks to get back to us. This is so stressful and horrible. Any advice would be welcome.

If we do end up in small claims, what's it actually like?

Should we retract our offer now and tell him we'll await instruction, or leave it on the table, or pay him what we think is fair?

Help.

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DimsieMaitland · 08/10/2016 14:54

If his claim relates to work he carried out without an agreement in advance that it would be paid for, then he's going to struggle. In contract law, 'past consideration is no consideration' which means (huge simplification follows) the promise to pay must come before the work. Even if you agreed subsequently (after the work) to pay (any or all) of the additional claim, it's highly unlikely to be an enforceable agreement.
It will all come down to evidence in the end and you sound organised and on the ball OP so I doubt you have anything to worry about.

AlpacaPicnic · 08/10/2016 14:59

I'm sorry for all the inconvenience and stress this arsehole has put you through - but I did do a proper LoL at 'turns out he's just an idiot'

Rememberallball · 08/10/2016 15:02

Be warned though that if you lose you will have a CCJ against you whiuch will affect your credit rating.

Not if the judgement is paid within 30 days of being ordered. Only then is it added to your credit file and can start affecting credit score.

FasterThanASnakeAndAMongoose · 08/10/2016 22:51

Alpaca Why thank you! Grin

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FasterThanASnakeAndAMongoose · 08/10/2016 22:54

I dig panic a bit about the CCJ thing, but if it goes against us we will pay on time. I bloody hope it doesn't get to court though.

I imagine he'll probably send something through at the very last minute. This is his style. Idiot!

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Moonpuddle · 08/10/2016 23:48

I've been following your threads too so appreciate the updates. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.

FasterThanASnakeAndAMongoose · 17/10/2016 22:51

No real update - just offloading. The deadline for the builder to submit full particulars of the claim is later this week and we've still heard nothing.

He's been ordered to serve them to us, as well as the court.

I'm so stressed and worried! I fully expect him to submit them at the 11th hour, as this seems to be how he operates.

If he misses the deadline though, how flexible is the court likely to be? I don't know what format to expect the response in. Also, what if he writes it as a response to the defence we've already submitted? Do we have to respond to his new particulars?

Argh. I am so frustrated and angry at the way he is dragging this out. I really want him out of our lives. He's stopping me from properly enjoying the leaf crunchiness of autumn. I've had to buy a new jumper from Sainsbury's to cheer myself up SmileShockAngry

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FasterThanASnakeAndAMongoose · 17/10/2016 22:53

And it's not even 25% off for another couple of weeks, but I bought it TODAY! This is very unlike me but I just couldn't wait Grin

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FeelingSmurfy · 18/10/2016 00:06

Thanks for ending my day with a smile Smile that has to be worth the extra cost Wink

andintothefire · 18/10/2016 00:38

Just a quick message. He will need to put in full particulars and you will be entitled to put in a new defence in response. If he misses the deadline, he will need to apply for "relief from sanctions". If you google it there is some basic advice on what that means! Good luck!

AGirlCalledJohnny · 18/10/2016 01:09

Blatant place marking. I once threw a whole crew out of my house in the middle of the job, I stuck my head in at lunch one day and two guys I'd never seen before without a lick of English were tiling my shower without putting in any waterproofing, and of course yer man was nowhere to be found. I just saw fucking red after weeks and weeks of pisstaking and shoddy work, he started great and the more I trusted them the more they fucked us around. He got short fucking shrift when he sent me an invoice too. Never heard from him again - but I was in full battleaxe mode and quite happy to go to war over it, at that point I was so mad, I'd have lived in a tent rather than give him a penny. Nose say goodbye to face Grin

So I feel you Faster, and I will do a metaphorical air punch for you when the court hands his ass to him. Cheeky git! Have you invoiced him for the copper? I'd love to see what he says to that.

FasterThanASnakeAndAMongoose · 19/10/2016 18:27

Thank you all! Would you believe it? The jumper had a big snag in it so it's going back. Bloody builder Grin

andintothefire thank you - I goggled relief from sanctions. Very interesting. It seems he'll need a bloody good excuse if he misses the deadline and still wants to proceed. The precedents aren't in his favour.

Needless to say still nothing from him and the deadline is tomorrow at 4pm. Argh!!

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RaspberryOverloadTheFirst · 19/10/2016 18:34

OP, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you. But I reckon you're in a better position than him.

Rememberallball · 19/10/2016 22:16

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FasterThanASnakeAndAMongoose · 19/10/2016 22:35

No, nothing yet! He has until 4pm tomorrow. I rang the court yesterday and they hadn't had it either, and also hadn't had a request for an extension.

It's such a joke. He's had nearly a month!

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mysistersimone · 19/10/2016 23:05

It's so nice to see a thread with updates. I have everything crossed you either don't hear from him or win the case. It's so unfair you have to put up with shit workmanship then months of stress. Just keep swimming ☕🍰

venys · 19/10/2016 23:20

You are not based in West London by any chance? Sounds like someone I know.

FasterThanASnakeAndAMongoose · 19/10/2016 23:27

Thank you for the support and encouragement. I bloody love this site.

No, nowhere near London! Sadly I don't think my experience is particularly unusual. So many arses about AngrySad

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itsawonderfulworld · 19/10/2016 23:54

Take a deep breath. It will cost him £105 just to file a claim for £1600 so I bet he's just bluffing and won't actually put in a claim. He surely knows he doesn't stand a chance.

I run a very small business and an ex-employee who flounced off when we found out that they'd spent 90% of their paid hours doing online shopping and stalking a celeb (don't ask, it was VERY pathetic) threatened to take us to court for constructive dismissal. My 10-year-old DS advised me how to deal with them and we never heard from them again :D

ChathamDockyard · 20/10/2016 00:02

So if you hear nothing tomorrow is it all over?

Fingers crossed ☘️☘️☘️

FasterThanASnakeAndAMongoose · 20/10/2016 07:12

itsawonderfulworld - quite a bit has happened since my OP! He has brought a claim.

Chatham - yes, hopefully. Although there's a chance he'll send something to the court and not bother sending it to us, although he's supposed to. Or he could bring a brand new claim at some point in the future.

The deadline is 4pm and I'll be ringing the court at 4.05 if we've still heard nothing! Will report back...

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Cactuar · 20/10/2016 07:31

If his claim is struck out he won't be able to bring a new claim for the same thing OP - you only get one bite of the cherry. If he tries you can just apply to get it struck out again.

FasterThanASnakeAndAMongoose · 20/10/2016 18:59

Nothing has arrived! No post, no email, NOTHING!!

I will ring the court again in the morning - I wouldn't put it past him to send it to them and not us - but we're having a tentative celebration that this may be all over at last - cheers!! Wine

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ChathamDockyard · 20/10/2016 19:13

It's looking good Smile

I've still got my fingers crossed just in case but hopefully it's all over.

mysistersimone · 20/10/2016 19:20

I really really hope it's over. Cheers 🍷