to NOT see what is wrong with the UKIP poster?

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It shows a crowd of refugees trekking across country and has the strapline 'The EU has failed us all'

I think it's a really good point.

FFS the EU has failed these poor people , being turned away from one country to another.

Why hasn't this useless organisation, of some of the richest countries in the world managed to arrange its borders so that those poor refugees fleeing from war-torn homes where they fear for their lives everyday are allowed to exercise their human right to apply for asylum?

Why haven't the leaders of the EU arranged that those people are treated with humanity and decency and not drown everyday?

I agree with Farage that we should be able to control our borders. If we did, perhaps we could prioritise immigration to offer sanctuary to refugees like Germany has done.

And I agree that the EU is an ineffective and undemocratic organisation. If our Parliament was in control of immigration perhaps we could effectively pressurise our MPs to act and allow refugees into the UK in meaningful numbers.

It's not just the picture OP, it's the words with the picture.

And as other people said, should the UK wish to take more refugees, they can! The EU is begging them to!

If you can't see the message in this picture: the racist, fear mongering propaganda, then you're either very stupid or very obtuse. Which is it OP?

So if we vote leave is Nigel proposing we increase the number of refugees ????

Hah, yeah I'd like to see him use that as a campaign issue. If we Vote Leave we promise to increase the number of Syrian refugees that the UK accepts, because apparently the EU is currently preventing us from doing so - then see how many racist Brexit voters swiftly change sides.

I disagree. I think the poster is saying look at how useless the EU is.

It's clearly a fucking useless poster then if no-one else on this thread can see that.

Haven't RTFT but FFS, KNOW YOUR HISTORY!!!!

Twat

Me too Hover. I've witnessed more racism lately than ever

The Eu is not begging the UK to take refugees. FFS where do posters get their ideas from.

The EU has completely fudged the issue of refugees.The only country that has acted is Germany, because there there is political will, Germans see taking in refugees as reparation for WWII. and they need to boost their population for economic growth

Also, give over with the personal attacks.

So what are we going to help?

No good arguing over whose problem it is. There are human beings here.

Can we have some ideas, rather than just talking about numbers and dehumanising people?

Why is that boy red-circled?

'Is someone taking care of that bloody women's website...what's it called? Um...slutsweb? No, that's not it...someone?'

'Do you mean Mumsnet Nige?'

'Yeah, that one. Is someone on there?'

'About twenty of us Nige.'

'Right, do something to convince the bleeding heart liberals will you? '

'Like what Nige?'

'I dunno, tell them how much I like refugees or something. Anyway, it's POETS day for me - anyone for a cheeky pint? Not you Boris, you can stay and do Slagsnet.'

So Hearts, taking more refugees is indeed nothing to do with the EU, as you just conceded. The poster therefore is irrelevant to the referendum. But very relevant to racism, IMO.

And this is not a personal attack, it's a discussion.

But that's my point Topcraft it should be something to do with the EU. There are 29 countries in the EU and the refugees want to gain sanctuary in them. We need an EU organised response - but as the poster says, the EU has failed.

It is our responsibility as human beings to help. How would we feel if it was us fleeing the UK, asking for help?

But there is no effective mechanism in the EU to make the voices of common human decency heard. Cameron said he was seeking reform. And what did he come back with? Some minor tweaks to benefit rules for migrants. If you want racism, that's it right there. One rule for us, one for them.

Sorry OP but I cannot believe that anyone can be as boneheadedly stupid as to interpret the UKIP poster in the way that you have. I am guessing that you decided to tone down your racist leanings when you saw the majority of the posters were against you. And FYI it has been the UK's OWN decision (NOTHING to do with the EU and in fact in defiance of the EU) to accept a pitifully small number of desperate people (including CHILDREN) fleeing from the most unimaginable horrors that you, someone who had the sheer and blind luck to be born in the UK, not Syria, will never have to face.

OP if you genuinely think there is nothing wrong with that poster, then maybe you should take some time to look at this, a model of how stereotyping leads to genocide..

www.davidlarsonis.me/social-studies/social-studies-in-the-grade-8/human-rights/the-ladder-of-prejudice-gordon-w-allport/

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the EU want each country to take a quote of refugees and the UK opted out?

The EU has only failed inasmuch as the countries involved (including the UK) don't actually give a fuck. The poster says to me, vote out, or this lot will be arriving on your doorstep.

Right- please read this OP
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34131911

It proves that your suggestion that the EU is somehow standing in the way of accepting asylum seekers is bollocks. The vast majority of EU countries have accepted a huge amount more asylum seekers than the UK. It's almost embarrassing to read the chart at point 5. I have reported this thread and I genuinely hope it gets pulled. Go on Stormfront or something if you want to share your ideas.

OP I hope you're joking. If not I despair.

I've heard it all now, a UKIPper criticising the EU parliament for having too little sovereignty over its member states.

Why do so many people reply with knee-jerk reactions just seeing what they WANT to see rather than thinking about things and responding with valid arguments instead of 'nazi/racist'? It's fucking lazy and only serves to make people not want to listen when you actually do say something of value.

SoThisIsSummer - agree with pretty much everything you've said!

OP - YANBU but ignore the blinkered views on here, some people won't even consider other peoples opinions as valid unless it fits exactly with what they think is right.

For me, the poster with a picture of Farage in front of it, has the opposite impact than its intention.

I see a white older middle-class privately-educated manipulative buffoon. Ironically a descendant of immigrants with a European wife, who has been elected as an MEP, and claims the expenses yet fails to attend committee meetings where he is supposed to put forward UK interests.

Behind him I see the image of desperate individuals looking for a place to live and work safely without fear. The only thing that is stopping an effective solution to the problems facing these desperate people is the fear of mainstream politicians that the people who elect them have been taken in by the lies, xenophobia and base fears that Farage and his fascist cronies have created and stirred-up.

It's so depressing that some people cannot see it too.

SemiNormal, so are you saying you agree with the interpretation the OP says she gave to the poster? That it is trying to say that the EU should do more to help asylum seekers and that the UK is being prevented from acting? Or are you actually just saying you agree with the poster (without OP's strange interpretation of it)?

Heart, there are 28 countries in the EU. But that's not the most troubling aspect of your post. Rather the complete and utter lack of intellectual honesty in your argument: leave the EU because the EU doesn't have enough to powers to force the UK to accept more refugees.... Heard it all now.

Perhaps you have a point, OP. However the poster is offensive and chilling because it is clearly intended to make the audience look at this enormous queue of strapping young men and think 'We're at breaking point and we're being invaded!'. That is not a helpful or a humane way to approach this issue, not when there are so many families living in fear for their lives, in conditions we wouldn't keep a dog in here.

Farage's poster is without compassion and manipulative. The 'us all' bit is tacked on at the end but doesn't actually fit in with the main thrust of the message at all. It's clever really, because he's trying to take the moral high ground back - 'vote leave if you care about everyone'. But frankly, anyone who has been breathing for the last few years knows that Ukip doesn't care about everyone in this country, never mind elsewhere.

This is the man who said he didn't like to hear Polish being talked on a train in England so it shouldn't be done, but it was 'different' if the language was German. This isn't a man who sees the same level of humanity in everyone and this poster is intended to draw you into his perspective.

The European Commission tried to impose a quota system whereby the UK would have been expected to take its fair share of refugees. This would have been in the region of 90,000. The UK decided to ignore the EU quota in the face of severe criticism from the rest of the EU, which is why we have taken so few.

So, OP, run your argument by me again about how the EU is failing to take action. I still cannot believe that anyone can be so ill informed and ignorant. Plus if we wanted them, why the hell does it say 'breaking point'? Kinda a strange way to make the point you think they are making, no?