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To feel so upset about jo cox?

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Unpropergrammer · 16/06/2016 23:01

I didn't know of her before today but this news has devestated me for some reason. Watching the news I couldn't stop crying.

I just keep thinking of her poor kids.

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stumblymonkey · 17/06/2016 08:03

So for what it's worth...I'll answer the OP's question.

Personally I think YABU to be quite so impacted by it.

Yes...it's terrible. However I personally don't understand getting quite so worked up about someone that you don't know that you would cry.
It's like the whole Princess Di thing, it was shocking, it was a real shame and obviously awful for her family but I really didn't get the whole public mourning thing.

I don't know...perhaps I'm too hard nosed but people die in terrible circumstances all of the time so it's shocking but I can't cry for every one of them. I think we're a bit wrapped in cotton wool these days...

MoggyP · 17/06/2016 08:04

The thread I linked is in AIBU, and is an outpouring thread (IYSWIM) which stayed as such. No problem with that thread, or of threads of that type.

It's the multiple threads with the same angle on the same event which can tip it over into unreasonable.

And yes, when there has been a big news event, there will be a thread (or threads) on MN within minutes of a news pop up, and there will always be one or two more commentary type threads no later than that evening. So always worth checking what is already running (search, but often a glance at Active is enough),

Cinnamon2013 · 17/06/2016 08:04

What nastiness on this thread. I understand op. I feels too big a sadness somehow to be 'reasonable'. Her family and friends are what matters, no question. But this death has a context. It says something about our country. And that is part of the feeling for me. Someone said 'you'll have forgotten about her next week'. No and no. I won't have.

stumblymonkey · 17/06/2016 08:05

The news is saying he said 'Britain First' or 'Put Britain first' when he attacked her...

Cinnamon2013 · 17/06/2016 08:05

And really really what is with the thread police?? Who cares.

DoinItFine · 17/06/2016 08:06

I actually feel sick with disappointment at this thread and the revolting people who think it is OK to be the thread police about this.

24 hours ago Jo Cox was still alive.

But it's already "mawkish" to care about that and want to talk about it?

What has Mumsnet become?

londonrach · 17/06/2016 08:06

Agree and i dont know why as ive never meet her. I think its because shes around my age, has young children and was just at work. She could have very easily be in my circle of friends. From what ive read she sounded like one of the good ones in parliament for the people. Seems such a waste. Thoughts with her family and friends x

Scribblegirl · 17/06/2016 08:06

Moggy - that's fair enough. Still stand by my general comments but threads which are literal duplicates are incredibly irritating, I hadn't realised that there was another.

Sallystyle · 17/06/2016 08:06

I'm with Worra too.

Why do people need to ask if they are being unreasonable to feel upset about a death?

People all over the world die daily. Children are left grieving for a parent all the time, parents lose children all the time. Not sure strangers cried and felt devastated when my boy's lost their father though.

It's awful news, but it's not your tragedy. You didn't even know who she was until she died.

StealthPolarBear · 17/06/2016 08:06

Yes but I don't think we know any more yet stumbly.

Northernlurker · 17/06/2016 08:07

Oh FFS! Must we bitch about where people post and why? Really?
Our democracy was attacked yesterday and a family lost a mother and wife but it's more important to attack somebody for being 'mawkish'? How disgusting.
This situation is fairly local to me and one of my relatives is an MP. You bet I'm upset about this.

StealthPolarBear · 17/06/2016 08:08

I don't think it's thread police. Worrall was answering the question, which presumably is what the op wanted!

Northernlurker · 17/06/2016 08:09

Of course it was thread police! It always bloody is.

CuntyPotato · 17/06/2016 08:09

Mumsnet at its finest with some of the replies on here. The woman's body is barely cold, let people have their grief and shock FFS.

ArkyOptics · 17/06/2016 08:11

Mawkish yes, to want another thread, all of your own, for such a terrible event.

fusionconfusion · 17/06/2016 08:11

This is about Jo Cox and the people she left behind

Unfortunately, at the moment I don't think that's the only truth of this.

There has been a very dangerous shift in global society in recent months and a rise of extreme hatred and simmering violence. This was a political murder, not a personal one only. The fact that any of us feel profoundly sad and scared that an elected representative could be targeted in this way does not diminish the real grief of those who knew and loved her.

And there is a very scary thing happening where there is so much hate in the broader culture that individuals with mental distress are taking actions like these.. but the political and cultural climate is creating it, not just individual mental illness. That's a real sign that we are living in very dark times and we all should rightly feel that. It's not "grief porn" to be very deeply affected by a death like this.

Sallystyle · 17/06/2016 08:11

But it's already "mawkish" to care about that and want to talk about it?

No it isn't mawkish to care and to want to talk about it.

There's a thread or three to talk about her and share your feelings about what happened.

There doesn't need to be another one in AIBU asking if it's unreasonable to be devastated and crying all day. Why would you need to ask if you are being U to be upset?

IHaveBrilloHair · 17/06/2016 08:12

When I see yet another thread it all just smacks of, "I know other people are sad, but it's me, meeeeeeee, I am sadder than everyone else".
Ugh.
It's not about you.

minifingerz · 17/06/2016 08:13

"Why do people need to ask if they are being unreasonable to feel upset about a death?"

There are so many tragedies we hear about in the news. I think it's reasonable to ask why we feel so particularly distraught about this murder.

I

StealthPolarBear · 17/06/2016 08:13

Interesting points fusion. Without getting into the reasons etc i do wonder about the timing, exactly one week before the referendum

minifingerz · 17/06/2016 08:14

Fusion

Well said.

Sallystyle · 17/06/2016 08:16

The woman's body is barely cold, let people have their grief and shock FFS.

They can. Some people just disagree with starting a personal thread about it, claiming they are devastated over a loss of someone they didn't even know existed. The people who are truly devastated are those that loved her.

I understand being sad, and very fearful about the world we are living in. I am too, we all are.

fusionconfusion · 17/06/2016 08:16

And frankly people comparing it to Diana are really missing the bloody point. This is a really, really worrying thing to have happened in the context of Brexit, the rise of the far right, the rise of Trump, religious and political intolerance, the threats women face for speaking in their own voice on Twitter, global political instability, what happened in Orlando etc. The trend is terrifying and it most likely cost this woman - who stood for election to make a difference to the place she grew up, and to speak for the importance of love and compassion for all peoples - her life.
It is SO far removed from crying over Diana it's untrue. This was a day of infamy. People NEED to feel this. We NEED to see this for what it is and there is a dire need for us to turn towards it and make it our own grief and not just write it off as the work of some madman.

I just can't believe people are seeing it as "mawkish" and rattling on about where people post. Get a grip.

FrankUnderwoodsWife · 17/06/2016 08:19

Fusion has raised a very interesting point.
Maybe people are so affected by this because it comes hot on the heels of the 49 young people killed in Orlando because of their sexual preference?

Followed by the French couple murdered in their suburban home outside Paris, while their young child was in the house?

I find all of these events abhorrent and shocking, and worry about this raised lack tolerance. We should be discussing these issues and not one woman's personal grief over a murder she has no connection to!

minifingerz · 17/06/2016 08:20

The bizarre thing about some of the responses here is that if people didn't keep coming on and saying 'YABU for posting a thread about it when there are already other threads' this thread would very quickly disappear down the list of threads so it no longer appeared on the first page of AIBU. If you don't think it should be here don't post on it! Nobody's saying this thread is offensive just that it's unnecessary. And if that's the case, let it die!

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