To think Owen Jones is childish

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Owen Jones storms off sky news

I don't even get what his issue is, he's invited on to discuss the headlines and then runs off as he doesn't like how much attention the biggest story is getting.

I still feel really sorry for Owen Jones. He thinks the world is a much better place than it actually is.

He thinks the world is a much better place than it actually is.

He thinks there's good terrorism which he supports (the IRA, for example, or Hamas) and bad terrorism (Orlando). He think there's good homophobia (the sort that extremists he's perfectly happy to share a platform espouse) and bad homophobia (Orlando).

He's suddenly discovered that there are people who don't just talk about killed gay people as a modish pose, to be transgressive and a little bit exciting, they actually want to kill gay people and will do so given half a chance.

One might say it might cause him to grow up.

I feel sorry for Owen Jones because he is struggling to come to terms with the fact that some of his friends actually want to kill him. Can't be fun.

Oh, by the way, Douglas Murray and OJ were due to appear on Channel 4 News tonight when the Orlando vigil was being filed in Soho. It was called off because OJ apparently refused to be filmed with DM. Having seen DM rip weak people like OJ to shreds on TV, I guess I can understand why OJ backed away quick.

He was in a state of classic Leftist cognitive dissonance because he felt incredible grief and anger but at the same time could not bring himself to blame the problem of Islamist ideology

Spot on Backingvocals. That's it in a nutshell.

The pious posturing of the politically correct left and Guardian journalists and will mean they'll always see any open discussion as Islamophobic.. Makes me think of Rotherham and their wonderfully probing, crusading journalism on that particular episode.

"He thinks there's good terrorism which he supports (the IRA, for example, or Hamas) and bad terrorism (Orlando)."

Any evidence that he supports the IRA and Hamas? Apart from stuff he wrote at school?

Incidentally, is "kill all homosexuals" an essential tenet of the Islamic faith?

In the case of Hamas, he has routinely appeared on platforms with hideous "from the river to the sea", "kill the Jew wherever you find them" people, making the usual Corbyn-ite excuses about "conversations".

He has never resiled from his support for the IRA.

Ah yes, the old "appeared on a platform with......"

And I think that saying he "supports the IRA" based on something he wrote when he was 16 is dishonest in the extreme.

And I think that saying he "supports the IRA" based on something he wrote when he was 16

He's welcome to say "I was wrong".

Ah yes, the old "appeared on a platform with......"

What do you think would be his, or your, response to David Cameron sharing a platform with Nick Griffin?

Yep, that's all over my FB newsfeed ( & I've got quite a few gay friends ) that he needs to start addressing the homophobia within Islam.
& that talking about Christians opposition to gay marriage in the same breath as the massacre in Orlando is lower than low.

Well he won't share a platform with people who want to discuss terrorism and gun control in relation to a terrorist shooting so I think his platform sharing does speak volumes. He wasn't up for much of a 'conversation' with them was he.

Is "kill all homosexuals" a central part of the Islamic faith?

Without reference to the US Republican Party, do you recognise that there is a huge problem of homophobia within the religion of Islam? Question is to Ego.

do you recognise that there is a huge problem of homophobia within the religion of Islam?"

Yes.

Next?

Oops, sorry. I didn't realise that it was a private conversation...........

Is "kill all homosexuals" a central part of the Islamic faith? There's nothing in the Bible that mentions god approves of the attacking of abortion doctors either and there are passages of the Bible that are just as awful to us in the 21st century, as anything you'll find in the Koran. Good, so we've established that...

Slightly off-topic, but how do people feel about Clinton's response to this atrocity? "We need to up surveillance, increase attacks 'against ISIS'" etc (paraphrased). Compare the response to what happened after Anders Behring Brevik shot so many people. If it can be linked to Islam it's terrorism. If it's terrorism we can use it to do what the hell we like in the Middle East. Ta dah!

If you think that his being Muslim must have made him homophobic, then how come many Muslims don't go round killing LGBT people.

Because most people (regardless of background) aren't murderers.

How come it's Republican right wing politicians discriminating against the LGBT community?

You mean "In the United States, how come it's Republican right wing politicians discriminating against the LGBT community?" The Republicans don't exist in most countries. In the US, of course the majority of discriminatory acts come from Republicans--they constitute about half the population whereas Muslims make up only about 3%.

How come the C of E is allowed to discriminate against the LGBT community?

I wish the C of E would marry gay couples too, but can you really not see that this is a mere brush compared with what gay people face in most majority Muslim countries?

How come Russia discriminates? How come Uganda can execute people for being gay?

Because non-majority Muslim countries sometimes have severe discrimination issues too. The point people have been trying to make here is that "there is a really strong association between Islam and homophobia," not that no other type of country has issues.

LGBT discrimination, LGBT hate and LGBT violence takes place everywhere. If people think this is only a problem within Islam, then I am afraid you are truly mistaken.

Who on earth said that homophobia was ONLY a problem within Islam? Your piling up of straw men is just bizarre to watch.

Ok. I am happy to say, as loudly as you like, that their is a problem of homophobia within the Islamic faith.

I find it interesting that nobody is prepared to answer my question "Is "kill all homosexuals" a central tenet of the Islamic faith?"

how come many Muslims don't go round killing LGBT people. What kind of defence is that FHS?? There are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world today and they are not all, everyone of them, hateful, Jihadi, homophobic, murdering nut cases, Ok, is that a clear enough-a-position for you?

Not all German people in the late 1930's, early 40's, were maniacal, war mongering, anti-Semitic, social Darwinists of the most extreme kind either. Unfortunately though, it was the Nazi's who drove the agenda.

I want to hear Owen Jones speak more on this now that a picture is emerging that the killer himself may have been gay. Apparently his wife thinks he may have been, others have said they had seen him IN that club six or seven times previously, and that he used a gay dating app on his phone, and that he had also considered Disneyworld as a target.

And no, I read this in the Telegraph, not the Daily Fail